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BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
@Gramps49's comment on another thread -
And, to Lamb Chops point for seminarians to have a degree in something besides religion. Amen. Wished I had. I probably would have gone into something like geology. It is one of my advocations.

Made me think -

What do you wish you had studied?

Why don't you start now?
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  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    I'm a very quick thinker, good at making connections, observing things that others miss and making people laugh.

    Maybe I should have a go at stand-up comedy?

    But I'm an exceedingly slow learner, which tends to put me off doing another degree.

    I've looked into it, but Open University fees are pretty steep.

    There are many things I'm interested in. I think maybe Horticulture would be my subject of choice at the moment.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    I would definitely have tried to become a historian if I hadn’t gone into my current profession. I might consider serious additional study post retirement.
  • Ecclesiastes 12:12 was the front-piece of the last big bit of study I ever did. I still have occasional dreams about not getting around to finishing it (I finished it in late '99...) and I think it might take rather a lot to persuade me to embark on anything new!

    More worryingly - I am 55 years old and my short-term memory is absolutely fecked. I really struggle to learn new things at work, where there is generally not very much pressure at all. I am impressed that there are people here who might consider starting anything requiring the kind of feats of memory that we might have been capable of in our 20s and 30s.


  • HeavenlyannieHeavenlyannie Shipmate
    edited March 21
    Open University fees are slightly lower than trad UK universities, I think. The big price hike was made around 2012 as they lost their government subsidy when part time students were admitted into the student loan system (before that OU students couldn’t get student loans; when I started my first OU degree in 1990 I paid for it from my wages as a nurse whilst students at trad universities weren’t paying any fees).

    I wanted to be an English teacher but in the 1980s people from my background didn’t go to university. I wasn’t even allowed to go to college for A levels as my parents wanted me to get a job and contribute to the family rent. So I worked in a care home on a youth training scheme instead. I assume if I had gone to a traditional uni then it would have been to study English Literature.
    I studied my first degree part time while working full time as a nurse. It was a combined degree of Sociology, English Literature and Health Studies (as there was no OU health degree in those days) and I have done a second degree in History since then. It is history that I have really fallen in love with. I am lucky enough to be in a position where I can study for free; I am about to finish a masters in early modern history and I am considering a masters in classical studies next year. I use study as therapy for my bipolar disorder, it gives me a safe focus for my overactive mind.
  • To add to my previous post, history is actually a great complement to health studies. Not only is it useful for forming a historical context for current policy and practice (for instance, we do the history of the NHS on the public health course I teach, and ancient beliefs and practice on the death studies course) but it is excellent for building skills in research and critical analysis.
    In my case I also use my health expertise for my history research. My current dissertation is about developments in eighteenth century psychiatry.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Boogie wrote: »
    @Gramps49's comment on another thread -
    And, to Lamb Chops point for seminarians to have a degree in something besides religion. Amen. Wished I had. I probably would have gone into something like geology. It is one of my advocations.

    Made me think -

    What do you wish you had studied?

    Why don't you start now?
    I studied exactly what I wanted to, and what I’d still choose: music. Then I went straight to law school and practiced law for 35 years. I’ve viewed retirement as my chance to go back to a focus on music and related disciplines.

    I have pondered the possibility of working on something like a Masters in Liturgical Studies, but so far I haven’t found a program that would fit my various needs (location, cost, etc.)


  • I want to study the muscle systems of the body, with particular attention to malfunctions (muscle knots, strains, etc.) and ways a layperson could help deal with those (probably mostly massage). I'm meditating exactly what the best approach would be.

    And yes, I'm planning to do this because of my own problems and right now, because of my husband's--because every freaking year, gardening season starts up, and he overdoes things, and for a couple of weeks he's convinced that he has a life-threatening disorder of some sort. Because pain, which is a thing he is mostly unacquainted with. Grrrrrrr.
  • Jengie JonJengie Jon Shipmate
    I am a polymath, with degrees in mathematics, sociology and theology. Wish I had had the courage when I was younger to not be put off by the notion that for people like us, certain things were out of bounds. Only discovered when I was doing my Doctorate (theology) that I loved Social Anthropology. How I would have coped with such a word-based subject back then, I do not know, but maybe my love of the subject would have got me to learn to write essays earlier.
  • finelinefineline Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Back when OU courses were much cheaper, I did quite a few of them, because while English literature was my main love and what I had studied at uni, there were lots of other subjects I wanted to learn about, particularly maths and science subjects. Since OU courses became a lot more expensive, I find free online courses. I once found a fascinating free set of psychology lectures from MIT, audiorecordings - the lecturer was brilliant. Other audio lectures I found weren't so engaging. I find the quality of free educational stuff can vary quite a bit - I've found some really good stuff though. These days I like learning Italian. YouTube videos can be very educational - I follow a few Italian ones, and I also really like Geoff Lindsey's videos on linguistics and phonetics. And I always like finding lectures on literature. Fatigue and lack of self-organisation skills are what stop me learning all the things I'd like to learn.
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    I might have been an English major. Which I did something about -- I went back to school and got an MA in English Lit about 3 years ago (at age 61). Applied to a PhD program but wasn't accepted.
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    I did a degree in French ( more skills than knowledge) with Theology as a new 3 year subsidiary subject because I was interested it and it was a very useful additional teaching subject.
    After retirement I trained and obtained my certificate at Citizens Advice. It suited me well, not only fulfilling a need to help others, but I am a good listener, can quickly focus on what is needed and look up, apply and communicate the relevant information, then write it up succinctly. The key is that you don’t actually need to remember the detailed information - just as well as I don’t retain the detail.
    I did this for almost 15 years. I have done enough learning, though I enjoy mastering new pieces of music to sing.
  • AravisAravis Shipmate
    I did a degree in English Lit in the 1980s, then a teaching qualification, then started a part time degree in occupational therapy in 1997. I’m approaching retirement from OT* now and have started a part time masters in theology, which is stretching my brain considerably. Research methods are the most difficult aspect for me; I’m not used to journals being online, or having to sign declarations about exactly what forms of AI I might have used (preferably none, but it’s becoming remarkably difficult to avoid).

    Between theology assignments I’m trying to read The Hobbit in Welsh, which is also a considerable challenge.

    (*Occupational Therapy in this case - though on my new course OT usually stands for Old Testament!)
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    I have degrees in history and education as well as a certificate as a learning strategist for students with LDs. Given my 30+ year career in student services a Masters in Adult Education or more background in disabilities studies would have been helpful. I am currently 2/3rds of the way through a certificate programme in psychologically safe leadership at the age of 62. As I tell my first year students ( I teach a first year experience course) learning is a lifelong journey.
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    At school, the local rabbi used to come in to teach the Jewish girls Hebrew, and I would have loved to have done that.
    More recently, I wish I had the time and the energy to learn Welsh.
  • AravisAravis Shipmate
    Welsh is certainly easier than Hebrew looks! My dad went to Hebrew classes when he retired, but I’m not quite that ambitious.
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    mousethief wrote: »
    I might have been an English major. Which I did something about -- I went back to school and got an MA in English Lit about 3 years ago (at age 61). Applied to a PhD program but wasn't accepted.

    Oh what era of lit?
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    One thing I really like about our era despite all of the issues is that you can get a good education basically for free if you look for things on YouTube or online as long as you look for things that are reliable. I recommend crash course as a nice source to start with on YouTube.
  • Agreed, @ChastMastr I feel so fortunate to live in an age and place and circumstances to be able to enjoy all that you mentioned.

    I was a little bookworm as a child and so ended up in libraries. Now my happy place is in the garden and cutting flowers. It makes me wonder whether I would have enjoyed horticulture or floristry. Mum was an excellent amateur florist, my skills are nowhere near her own, but I do enjoy buying and arranging flowers.
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    I might have been an English major. Which I did something about -- I went back to school and got an MA in English Lit about 3 years ago (at age 61). Applied to a PhD program but wasn't accepted.

    Oh what era of lit?

    19th century broadly, but with some pre-war modernism thrown in for good measure.
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    Also Milton
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    mousethief wrote: »
    Also Milton

    Yay!
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Aravis wrote: »
    I did a degree in English Lit in the 1980s, then a teaching qualification, then started a part time degree in occupational therapy in 1997. I’m approaching retirement from OT* now and have started a part time masters in theology, which is stretching my brain considerably. Research methods are the most difficult aspect for me; I’m not used to journals being online, or having to sign declarations about exactly what forms of AI I might have used (preferably none, but it’s becoming remarkably difficult to avoid).

    Between theology assignments I’m trying to read The Hobbit in Welsh, which is also a considerable challenge.

    (*Occupational Therapy in this case - though on my new course OT usually stands for Old Testament!)

    Finnau hefyd! Mae'r Hobyd yn eitha anodd, dw i'n meddwl!

    (Me too - Yr Hobyd* is quite hard, I think)

    *The Hobbit.
  • Eldest child is currently studying at a liberal arts college, and so is taking a whole variety of classes. To me as I am today, classes like Feminism in pre-modern literature sound interesting, and I think I'd quite enjoy them. 16-year-old me was an entirely different prospect, though: 16-year-old me was completely focused on studying the subject I wanted to study and nothing else, and even the UK universities that would have forced me in to a slightly broader field of study got rejected on those grounds.

    Would I actually go to the effort of studying for another degree? Probably not. In order to do that, I would first have to get fed up with my current occupation, then have the financial ability to retire and spend time on studying. Never say never, but it seems unlikely.
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    I had a long and very interesting chat with a lady who is doing historical research into the local area, and it looks like I'll be doing a lot of learning in the next few months! Firstly I'll be brushing up my archaeological knowledge of the area, and then looking at the Welsh and Anglo-Saxon methods of land ownership. We're right on the border, so - were we a Welsh commote, or part of an Anglo-Saxon shire?
    It's the sort of thing that fascinates me, it's proper primary research, and I have more time to devote to that sort of thing now, so I'm quite excited.
  • I love studying. I’m currently writing a dissertation on the professionalisation of Mad-doctors in eighteenth century England and I spent yesterday explaining the rise in diagnosis of religious mania as part of the secularisation of society.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    Eigon wrote: »
    It's the sort of thing that fascinates me, it's proper primary research, and I have more time to devote to that sort of thing now, so I'm quite excited.

    That does sound interesting @Eigon - I hope you make some interesting discoveries.

    When I was a child I remember reading a story about a child in England digging up Roman gold. Mum saw me digging in the garden and asked what I was doing, "Looking for Roman gold," I said.

    I was really disappointed to be told the Romans didn't come to NZ and decided that must mean Maori were cleverer than Romans because they found NZ. I also decided NZ was a very boring country. Mum said, "No it's not, we just don't know about it yet."

    Fast forward about 55 years - my brother D was visiting from the US, and we went to an exhibition at the museum. It blew both our minds. In a small town further south that I had visited once to go ice skating, there had once been a tropical lake, while in a small country town half an hour's drive north of Christchurch they had dug up evidence of 150 cm tall penguin.

    I mentally apologised to Mum, who had died before the discoveries were made, so she didn't get to say, "I told you so."
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    I very much like finding out about local history. I live in an area that was on the front line of the English Civil War. Charles I was holed up in town for a while and the town was besieged three times. Because money was in short supply the town made its own triangular siege pieces. I keep on hoping I'll dig one up while gardening, but no such luck so far.
    Your exhibition at the museum sounds amazing @Huia as does your research @Eigon.
    As for learning.I went to Library School to do the Library Association's Professional exams. I sometimes think I should have done a first degree and then the library qualification. However I doubt I would have chosen philosophy and religious studies which is the degree I have from the OU taken when I was in my fifties. I was on the cusp of deciding to explore doing a masters in creative writing a couple of years ago when I was elected onto our Town Council. I decided I wouldn't have the time for both. I might go back to the idea next year when my term on the council comes to an end.
  • AravisAravis Shipmate
    Some of “Y Hobyd” is easy as I know it anyway. I didn’t really need to look up anything for the dialogue with Gollum. However there are many little paragraphs of Middle Earth history that I don’t remember at all, and have to go through those with an English copy and a dictionary.

    If any other Welsh learners are inspired to have a go, it is an excellent translation (by Adam Pearce, 2023). He manages to translate all the songs and riddles into rhyming metre while retaining the sense, and the text reads beautifully.
  • I might have been a liberian, never the less I have created 5 libraries over the years. Two in jails, two in churches, and one in our mobile home park. So I guess I am a liberian after all.
  • The RogueThe Rogue Shipmate
    Aravis wrote: »
    If any other Welsh learners are inspired to have a go, it is an excellent translation (by Adam Pearce, 2023). He manages to translate all the songs and riddles into rhyming metre while retaining the sense, and the text reads beautifully.

    I was quite impressed that Tolkein managed to translate from Elven to English and make it rhyme and scan...

    I would not like to do another degree as it would require a lot of time that I don't have at the moment. Even when I retire in a few years time I would not want to have something like that dominate my life.

    I would like to learn to play a musical instrument (I have a flute in a cupboard somewhere and the bagpipes have always interested me) and I might study creative writing so that my humble scribblings are improved. I could do these things now if I made myself allocate time for it and when 9-5 becomes a thing of the past I may or may not be successful in this.
  • TwangistTwangist Shipmate
    My degree is in music.
    I would love to have a theology one too but time and money...
    I kinda regret not taking history further.
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    Does anyone else like Crash Course on YouTube? It’s free. Also A Capella Science…
  • NenyaNenya All Saints Host, Ecclesiantics & MW Host
    I regret the choice I made about history too. I should have taken it at "O" and "A" Level and didn't because I didn't like the teacher (who wouldn't survive five minutes in a school nowadays) so I took geography instead. My degree is in English literature and of course history goes hand in hand with that. I'm often reminded of my ignorance, particularly as our son-in-law is a history teacher. I have a small collection of history books in the (probably vain) hope that one day I'll read up on it all.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    Does anyone else like Crash Course on YouTube? It’s free.

    Thank you for my new rabbit hole @ChastMastr 😂
  • PriscillaPriscilla Shipmate
    I would have liked to have done archeology or history but my parents were pushing me to medicine. I didn’t get my grades but managed to get in to. Royal Holloway. College to do Biochemistry. I failed my second year exams and came home, eventually getting on an open university course in social work via my work. I loved that but had to give it up when the MS got worse.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Nenya wrote: »
    I regret the choice I made about history too. I should have taken it at "O" and "A" Level and didn't because I didn't like the teacher (who wouldn't survive five minutes in a school nowadays) so I took geography instead. My degree is in English literature and of course history goes hand in hand with that. I'm often reminded of my ignorance, particularly as our son-in-law is a history teacher. I have a small collection of history books in the (probably vain) hope that one day I'll read up on it all.

    IME History syllabuses at school are so focused on particular events that they do not result in students having a lot of broad historical knowledge. It's more a set of skills and understanding of how historians work that are gained. TBH I have similar observations of English Lit. An anecdote if I may - long ago when T rexes stalked the earth and I was doing a Primary Ed degree (don't ask) we did a drama session. We were asked to pace about the space anxiously, then imagine we had something on our hands we couldn't get off and was making us more and more agitated.

    When we were asked what famous character this could be, many of the science and maths specialists responded "Lady Macbeth". The English specialists mostly didn't know. "Ah" they said "we didn't do Macbeth".

    Sometimes the focus pushes out the general knowledge.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    My first two degrees are in History (Cdn. degrees) Like any discipline, part of these degrees were focused on the subject matter (the past broadly speaking) and part of the time is spent on various approached to the discipline of history. Almost 40 years after graduating with my Master's degree, I still have a broad understanding of the fields I studied. More importantly though, I learned to think like a historian and apply those critical thinking skills daily at work and in my private life.
  • Leorning CnihtLeorning Cniht Shipmate
    edited April 24
    KarlLB wrote: »
    When we were asked what famous character this could be, many of the science and maths specialists responded "Lady Macbeth". The English specialists mostly didn't know. "Ah" they said "we didn't do Macbeth".

    Sometimes the focus pushes out the general knowledge.

    Wow. We didn't "do" the Scottish play either: we "did" Henry V. I've seen the Scottish play on stage, of course, could quote from the Blackadder episode that is based on it, and references to the witches, to Lady M, and to Banquo's ghost are scattered everywhere.

    I think I'd have probably been able to interpret that set of actions as Lady Macbeth, but I'd have been tempted to answer "James Herriot".

    (I regret dropping French. I was going to take an AS in French, but was told I couldn't take that and 4 A-levels. That was probably the right thing to tell me, but I still regret it. )
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    We did Taming of the Shrew, Richard III, Macbeth and Hamlet.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Caissa wrote: »
    We did Taming of the Shrew, Richard III, Macbeth and Hamlet.
    For us it was Romeo and Juliet in 9th grade, Julius Caesar in 10th grade and Macbeth in 12th grade. (11th grade was exclusively American literature.)

    For reasons we’ve never understood, our daughter’s class studied and staged an abridged production of A Midsummer Night’s Dream in 3rd grade (basically 8–9 years old).


  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    For reasons we’ve never understood, our daughter’s class studied and staged an abridged production of A Midsummer Night’s Dream in 3rd grade (basically 8–9 years old).

    I suppose if you skip over all the problematic elements, it's a cute magical fairy story...
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    For reasons we’ve never understood, our daughter’s class studied and staged an abridged production of A Midsummer Night’s Dream in 3rd grade (basically 8–9 years old).

    I suppose if you skip over all the problematic elements, it's a cute magical fairy story...
    A cute magical fairy story that made absolutely no sense to those 3rd graders. :lol:

  • NenyaNenya All Saints Host, Ecclesiantics & MW Host
    I was well into fairies and magic at the age of 8 or 9... think Narnia and Peter Pan. Nor did I ever formally study Macbeth but I'm pretty sure I'd have got the handwashing reference. Although in these post-Covid times it might have taken on a different meaning.

    If I'd been clever enough I'd like to have studied law, but I wasn't. Or psychology, having discussed his studies with our son and proof-read his doctoral thesis.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
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    KarlLB wrote: »
    When we were asked what famous character this could be, many of the science and maths specialists responded "Lady Macbeth". The English specialists mostly didn't know. "Ah" they said "we didn't do Macbeth".

    Sometimes the focus pushes out the general knowledge.

    Wow. We didn't "do" the Scottish play either: we "did" Henry V. I've seen the Scottish play on stage, of course.

    Those last two words fascinate me. Why "of course"?

    I saw it once. School took us to see it. While the individual words appeared to be in English I couldn't understand it. Watched it again on the telly trying to help LBLet#3 with Eng Lit GCSE and still couldn't. I only know the story because of retellings in Modern English.

  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited April 25
    I should add - I say this neither to single out @Leorning Cniht nor to parade my own literary stupidity, but because I think that humans are really, really bad at realising just how different other humans can be from them. Probably just as well, given our appalling record of cruelty towards anyone we perceive as different, but cynicism aside, I, for example, have been amazed to discover that some people don't think primarily verbally, or indeed have an inner monologue at all. And some people cannot visualise things in their heads. I for my part actually cannot imagine functioning without those two elements. My "thinking" if you want to call it that is a constant verbal stream, with or without visual illustrations.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    KarlLB wrote: »
    I should add - I say this neither to single out @Leorning Cniht nor to parade my own literary stupidity, but because I think that humans are really, really bad at realising just how different other humans can be from them.

    As ever, there is an XKCD relevant to this:
    https://xkcd.com/2501/

    My degree is in Theoretical Physics with Mathematics. I also recently completed an HNC in Computing (took me 2.5 years, part time, due mostly to my indiscipline rather than any difficulty with the material). I was no great shakes as a pure mathematician, and I wonder if I might have been a better match for a computer science or engineering discipline in terms of finding a career that suited. Training as a teacher was, in retrospect, unwise but I don't necessarily wish it hadn't happened because other than having a rather dull job I'm quite content with where I am and teaching is what got me here.

    I might try and get my HND or bachelor's in computing once I have more free time, but I'm not rushing into it just now.
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    some people don't think primarily verbally, or indeed have an inner monologue at all. And some people cannot visualise things in their heads.
    I came across this possibility a few years ago, and suddenly realised that the inability to visualise is probably the reason why Mr RoS cannot recognise a route he has travelled on many, many times, nor the houses of friends he has visited frequently.

    Having been the frustrated and unwilling navigator in the family car because of this inability I bless the inventor of the SatNav!

    And yes, I think his inner monologue is absent, too. At least that is the excuse I give him for the many occasions he interrupts the ones going on in my head!

    I think this is a tangent, for which I apologise.

  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    I was lucky to spend the sixth farm in Birmingham. So our teachers took us to see the Shakespeare plays before we read the books. That's the right way to do it imo.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Boogie wrote: »
    I was lucky to spend the sixth farm in Birmingham. So our teachers took us to see the Shakespeare plays before we read the books. That's the right way to do it imo.

    Wouldn't have been for me. Without already knowing the plot I don't have a hope of following a Shakespeare play.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    KarlLB wrote: »
    some people don't think primarily verbally, or indeed have an inner monologue at all. And some people cannot visualise things in their heads.
    I came across this possibility a few years ago, and suddenly realised that the inability to visualise is probably the reason why Mr RoS cannot recognise a route he has travelled on many, many times, nor the houses of friends he has visited frequently.

    Having been the frustrated and unwilling navigator in the family car because of this inability I bless the inventor of the SatNav!

    And yes, I think his inner monologue is absent, too. At least that is the excuse I give him for the many occasions he interrupts the ones going on in my head!

    I think this is a tangent, for which I apologise.

    It's not really a tangent - it's closely related to how we learn. And the title of the thread is 'Learning'. 🙂

    I have always had a shocking memory so I'm not clever at all in the conventional sense. Yet I can see and make connections at lightning speed. I'm also a 'reader of emotions' in people (and dogs).

    I suppose my kind of intelligence will become more useful as people outsource memory to AI. I have to keep quiet during crime dramas as I work them out far too soon!
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