Does celebrating holidays early matter?

HugalHugal Shipmate
edited July 3 in Purgatory
Many theme parks will start their Halloween celebrations in August. Christmas will start in November and go on into early January. Shops start early for those celebrations as well. Does it matter? Some people think it does some think it doesn’t. Is it just a cash grab or Does it give a chance for everyone who wants to to celebrate?

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  • It depends on why the celebration is being held early.

    We commemorated the 'Feast of St Peter and St Paul' last Sunday rather than on the Monday in our parish last week, a day early.

    That was to allow people who were working on the Monday to celebrate it together with those who weren't. Obviously people who had to work on a Sunday weren't able to be there.

    Are shops, pubs and restaurants, theme parks etc which celebrate particular events early or unseasonably doing so to enable more people to celebrate these things or are they doing it to make money?

    Obviously they need to make money otherwise they'd go out of business but it depends on the motivation.

    Shops aren't going to stop stocking meat or dairy products, say, during Lent, unless there was a commercial reason for them to do so or unless everyone collectively abstained from these things for religious reasons.

    How about non-Christian festivals like Eid or Diwali?

    I'm pretty wedded to the church calendar but that doesn't mean I expect Baptists or Pentecostals to observe it the way I try to.

    It does bug me, I must admit, when Anglican churches sit lightly by their own lectionary and church calendar but again that's their business not mine.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Hugal wrote: »
    Many theme parks will start their Halloween celebrations in August. Christmas will start in November and go on into early January. Shops start early for those celebrations as well. Does it matter? Some people think it does some think it doesn’t. Is it just a cash grab or Does it give a chance for everyone who wants to to celebrate?
    Does the reality that, say, Christmas things will appear in stores and in ads by November or earlier mean that “celebrating” Christmas is happening that early? Or does it mean preparations to celebrate are underway that early?


  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    I celebrate the birth of Christ on December 25th.
    I'm not sure what shops etc are celebrating from November onwards, but it isn't the Incarnation.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Many theme parks will start their Halloween celebrations in August. Christmas will start in November and go on into early January. Shops start early for those celebrations as well. Does it matter? Some people think it does some think it doesn’t. Is it just a cash grab or Does it give a chance for everyone who wants to to celebrate?
    Does the reality that, say, Christmas things will appear in stores and in ads by November or earlier mean that “celebrating” Christmas is happening that early? Or does it mean preparations to celebrate are underway that early?


    Insofar as we are talking about privately-run, secular organizations starting the Christmas season early, I think this is one of those topics for which they invented the phrase "And there's not a damn thing you can do about it."

    At most, you might have recourse to a few "free-market solutions", eg. get a buncha friends together and call your local department-store and say none of you will be buying any Christmas related stuff until December 1st, so don't bother putting it out for sale until then. But good luck finding people who care enough to do that, even among those who like to tsk-tsk about how "Christmas is starting earlier and earlier every year."
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    I know birthdays are not holidays as such, but my sister-in-law will not celebrate any birthday before the actual day.

    She says "what if we don't live that long?"

    I say -:all the more reason to celebrate early!
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Many theme parks will start their Halloween celebrations in August. Christmas will start in November and go on into early January. Shops start early for those celebrations as well. Does it matter? Some people think it does some think it doesn’t. Is it just a cash grab or Does it give a chance for everyone who wants to to celebrate?
    Does the reality that, say, Christmas things will appear in stores and in ads by November or earlier mean that “celebrating” Christmas is happening that early? Or does it mean preparations to celebrate are underway that early?


    Christmas events (of various kinds) do seem to happen before 25th December rather than in the season of Christmas after the 25th.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Many theme parks will start their Halloween celebrations in August. Christmas will start in November and go on into early January. Shops start early for those celebrations as well. Does it matter? Some people think it does some think it doesn’t. Is it just a cash grab or Does it give a chance for everyone who wants to to celebrate?
    Does the reality that, say, Christmas things will appear in stores and in ads by November or earlier mean that “celebrating” Christmas is happening that early? Or does it mean preparations to celebrate are underway that early?

    Insofar as we are talking about privately-run, secular organizations starting the Christmas season early, I think this is one of those topics for which they invented the phrase "And there's not a damn thing you can do about it."

    At most, you might have recourse to a few "free-market solutions", eg. get a buncha friends together and call your local department-store and say none of you will be buying any Christmas related stuff until December 1st, so don't bother putting it out for sale until then. But good luck finding people who care enough to do that, even among those who like to tsk-tsk about how "Christmas is starting earlier and earlier every year."
    Sure. But my question was whether it’s accurate to characterize that kind of starting the season early as “celebrating” Christmas. I wouldn’t characterize it that way; I would characterize it as “preparation.” And for purposes of stores that decorate for Christmas, play Christmas music and put Christmas things out for sale, I’d call it preparation whether they start two weeks before Christmas or two months before Christmas.


  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    It isn’t just Christmas and the like. In my schooldays I really resented stores advertising school clothes for the forthcoming school year before about summer half-term holiday.

    My mum didn’t like it either, because I was tall and if she bought too early my trousers would be mid-calf by Christmas. OTOH, she had to buy something or I had nothing to wear.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Many theme parks will start their Halloween celebrations in August. Christmas will start in November and go on into early January. Shops start early for those celebrations as well. Does it matter? Some people think it does some think it doesn’t. Is it just a cash grab or Does it give a chance for everyone who wants to to celebrate?
    Does the reality that, say, Christmas things will appear in stores and in ads by November or earlier mean that “celebrating” Christmas is happening that early? Or does it mean preparations to celebrate are underway that early?

    Insofar as we are talking about privately-run, secular organizations starting the Christmas season early, I think this is one of those topics for which they invented the phrase "And there's not a damn thing you can do about it."

    At most, you might have recourse to a few "free-market solutions", eg. get a buncha friends together and call your local department-store and say none of you will be buying any Christmas related stuff until December 1st, so don't bother putting it out for sale until then. But good luck finding people who care enough to do that, even among those who like to tsk-tsk about how "Christmas is starting earlier and earlier every year."
    Sure. But my question was whether it’s accurate to characterize that kind of starting the season early as “celebrating” Christmas. I wouldn’t characterize it that way; I would characterize it as “preparation.” And for purposes of stores that decorate for Christmas, play Christmas music and put Christmas things out for sale, I’d call it preparation whether they start two weeks before Christmas or two months before Christmas.

    Well, on that topic, I would say that things like putting out decorations and playing carols ARE, in fact, celebrating Christmas, though it might be more accurate to say, at least in the case of a store, that they are trying to create a celebratory atmosphere, in order to get people in the mood for buying the Christmas products that have been put out for sale.

    Though I guess this might depend on what our definition of "celebrate" is. If the stores are simply putting the items out for sale, with no accompanying music or decorations, I'd agree that's just preparation, not celebration. OTOH if putting up decorations and playing carols in your home is considered celebration, then I think it's also celebration when stores do it.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    ...if putting up decorations and playing carols in your home is considered celebration...

    In my experience, it's often a pretty blurry distinction between preparing for a holiday and celebrating the holiday. Erecting and decorating a Christmas tree, for example, is usually done in a festive spirit, even if the tree doesn't come into full use until the presents are unwrapped on Christmas Day. And listening to carols is absolutely festive, because there's no practical, preparatory reason to do so(*).

    (*) Unless maybe you're listening to carols in order to choose a playlist for an upcoming Christmas celebration, but that's a pretty niche endeavour.
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    Parades, festivals, and fireworks displays for American Independence Day that actually take place on July 3 are stupid.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Many theme parks will start their Halloween celebrations in August. Christmas will start in November and go on into early January. Shops start early for those celebrations as well. Does it matter? Some people think it does some think it doesn’t. Is it just a cash grab or Does it give a chance for everyone who wants to to celebrate?
    Does the reality that, say, Christmas things will appear in stores and in ads by November or earlier mean that “celebrating” Christmas is happening that early? Or does it mean preparations to celebrate are underway that early?

    Insofar as we are talking about privately-run, secular organizations starting the Christmas season early, I think this is one of those topics for which they invented the phrase "And there's not a damn thing you can do about it."

    At most, you might have recourse to a few "free-market solutions", eg. get a buncha friends together and call your local department-store and say none of you will be buying any Christmas related stuff until December 1st, so don't bother putting it out for sale until then. But good luck finding people who care enough to do that, even among those who like to tsk-tsk about how "Christmas is starting earlier and earlier every year."
    Sure. But my question was whether it’s accurate to characterize that kind of starting the season early as “celebrating” Christmas. I wouldn’t characterize it that way; I would characterize it as “preparation.” And for purposes of stores that decorate for Christmas, play Christmas music and put Christmas things out for sale, I’d call it preparation whether they start two weeks before Christmas or two months before Christmas.
    Though I guess this might depend on what our definition of "celebrate" is.
    Exactly. That’s what I’m trying to get at.


  • Jane RJane R Shipmate
    Choirs usually start preparing for Christmas in October. About when people who make their own Christmas cakes start baking.

    I believe the shops are celebrating Mammon, which in the UK may be done at any time of year except Easter Day and Christmas Day.
  • GwaiGwai Epiphanies Host
    stetson wrote: »
    ...if putting up decorations and playing carols in your home is considered celebration...

    In my experience, it's often a pretty blurry distinction between preparing for a holiday and celebrating the holiday. Erecting and decorating a Christmas tree, for example, is usually done in a festive spirit, even if the tree doesn't come into full use until the presents are unwrapped on Christmas Day. And listening to carols is absolutely festive, because there's no practical, preparatory reason to do so(*).

    (*) Unless maybe you're listening to carols in order to choose a playlist for an upcoming Christmas celebration, but that's a pretty niche endeavour.

    I would say that motive is necessary. If I start playing Christmas carols because I know you detest them and I want to use my turn to choose music to make you miserable, I'd say I'm not celebrating Christmas--regardless of the time of year--as much as trying to start a fight. Similarly if you play Christmas music because it tends to make people buy more things, I'd say that is not celebrating as much as trying to make money. At best you are trying to encourage celebration in others, but I think even that is a stretch since spending money is not in itself a Christmas-associated activity. I'd say that rather you are trying to remind people that they will want to have more items to use to celebrate Christmas
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    Boogie wrote: »
    I know birthdays are not holidays as such, but my sister-in-law will not celebrate any birthday before the actual day.

    She says "what if we don't live that long?"

    I say -:all the more reason to celebrate early!

    I have heard that this is a German thing and that you should never wish a German "happy birthday" before the day itself...
  • Graven ImageGraven Image Shipmate
    As far as stores, it seems they are celebrating the holidays earlier and earlier. I just ignore the Christmas catalogue that arrives in the mail in August, but it is a harder to do so in the actual store. Growing up the whole family did celebrate Thanksgivng at my grandfather's the week-end before. We than had our own small family celebration on the following Thursday with the rest of the nation. As for Christmas with children grown I had a Christmas brunch in the week following and they celebrated with their own family the day of. As there are 12 days of Christmas why not? Grandchildren are grown and off in the world now, but I still have Christmas brunch for my grown and older children. Works out well as I am older and alone and not into cooking a big meal.
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    I think the scripture verse about one person treating all days alike and another person treating days as special applies here. Personally, I’m eager to start Halloween as soon as possible… Lol. I’m also happy to celebrate various things leading up to the official day of celebration, as a sort of climax of the period. I am totally happy to start celebrating both Advent and Christmas the day after Thanksgiving in the US, with the actual Christmas Day and Eve being extra special, and the official 12 days of Christmas leading up to Epiphany.

    As for the motives of various people, including people who run businesses and shops and things, I think that depends on the people, depends on the people running it, depends on whoever makes these decisions up at the top, which could be a corporate decision, depends on the employees at the shop and so on and so on. I am sure that there are some people who are happy to for example that theme parks let more people people enjoy the stuff stuff than they might otherwise be able to if they were limited to the smaller window for various holidays and there are some people who are just happy about the money and there are some people who are feeling both. In an ideal world, for example, one would be able to go to Walt Disney World and experience. The Disney Halloween experience specifically somewhere between October 1 and November 2, but you know also in an ideal world, everyone could do it, everyone could do it for free, everyone could teleport there, even if they lived in the middle of the country too far away from either park, but we don’t live in that world yet. Someday we will live in an ideal world in the new creation, and who knows how such things might be, but until then, I say let people enjoy what they enjoy. I personally roll my eyes and make jokes about the way that for example I am quite sure that in about five minutes after July 4, the Halloween stuff will start showing up in grocery stores and Target and what have you because it’s the next big holiday for people to buy stuff for; I don’t know, I might actually start doing spooky stuff during the month period in between the two celebrations of Bon/Obon, the Japanese festival of the dead (very much like the approach of Dia de Los Muertos), which depending on the region, is held in either mid-July or mid-August.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    I am more bothered by Christmas goods vanishing from the shops on the 26th December. It'll get to the point that the only time of year one can't buy mince pies is during the twelve days of Christmas.
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    Dafyd wrote: »
    I am more bothered by Christmas goods vanishing from the shops on the 26th December. It'll get to the point that the only time of year one can't buy mince pies is during the twelve days of Christmas.

    The Christmas goods have to make way for the Easter ones.

  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Most of the celebrations people are referring to are ways of making money, yes?

    If I remember my history correctly, during the depression Macy's kicked off Christmas shopping after our Thanksgiving as a way of try get people to start spending money again.

    But it is not so unusual for many occasions to be extended. Just saw my first Amazon back to school advertisement. Their program will extend credit to families to pay for purchases on an installment plan.

    Remember lay away plans? I know I got my first bike at Christmas because my family bought it in June and had six months to pay for it so it was not that much of a hit in the family budget
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    To be fair, a lot of stores have a "seasonal" section, which isn't an unreasonable idea. So you can get gardening stuff for spring, beach/grilling stuff for summer, etc., as well as for holidays.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Saw a meme this evening. It is July 4. Walmart will start its Christmas sales tomorrow,

    Actually, when I worked at Walmart the Christmas trees were put up just after 4 September. (our Labor Day).
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