There's a previous video of an incident from about a week ago where a few of them went into a church and started verbally abusing the vicar (and causing distress to the parishoners) because his church was allegedly helping refugees. The police did turn up on that occasion.
I suspect that when you cross the literal threshold into extended trespassing in privately owned buildings, the police are gonna view that as more in the realm of violating ye olde sanctity of the castle, whereas assholish parking violations are more just an abuse of the commons of the type people are more accustomed to tolerating on an everyday basis(*).
(*) And this is not neccessarily an outrageous double standard. If some drunks from the local pub all puke on my lawn one night, I'm gonna be pissed off, but still perceive it as much less a magnitude of threat than if they wander into my kitchen to puke in the sink and refuse to depart when asked.
Interestingly but irrelevantly, one church in Cardiff continued to meet for worship during the Covid lockdown and had its worship interrupted by the Police!
There's a previous video of an incident from about a week ago where a few of them went into a church and started verbally abusing the vicar (and causing distress to the parishoners) because his church was allegedly helping refugees. The police did turn up on that occasion.
I suspect that when you cross the literal threshold into extended trespassing in privately owned buildings, the police are gonna view that as more in the realm of violating ye olde sanctity of the castle, whereas assholish parking violations are more just an abuse of the commons of the type people are more accustomed to tolerating on an everyday basis(*).
I'm not sure what your point is in this context, the latest episode saw them blocking roads and ports (which on previous occasions has been interpreted as 'blocking critical national infrastructure').
I understand the police in Kent acted under Public Nuisance powers. Public Nuisance is a criminal offence and a Civil tort.
The concept of a Breach of the Peace isn’t of itself a crime: it’s used for the most part to prevent crimes, ie by moving people on or breaking up a protest or demonstration.
I’m not a lawyer, but I have been on the receiving end of both (didn’t get charged but it was stated via a megaphone!)
There's a previous video of an incident from about a week ago where a few of them went into a church and started verbally abusing the vicar (and causing distress to the parishoners) because his church was allegedly helping refugees. The police did turn up on that occasion.
I suspect that when you cross the literal threshold into extended trespassing in privately owned buildings, the police are gonna view that as more in the realm of violating ye olde sanctity of the castle, whereas assholish parking violations are more just an abuse of the commons of the type people are more accustomed to tolerating on an everyday basis(*).
I'm not sure what your point is in this context, the latest episode saw them blocking roads and ports (which on previous occasions has been interpreted as 'blocking critical national infrastructure').
Well, I was speculating why the police responded to the trespassing at the church, but not to the automotive mobbing outlined by Hope Not Hate.
FWIW, I was basing my comments on the Hope Not Hate Link in @Louise's post, which AFAICT didn't mention anything about the national-infrastructure issue.
Did the church invasion happen in the same police jurisdiction as the parking fiasco?
In English and Welsh law interrupting worship in church is a criminal offence.
Similar laws in Canada as well. There was a case in the 1980s where a Catholic bishop in the maritimes used them against a group of Trad Caths who had repeatedly entered his churches trying to get Communion on the tongue. The Trad Caths won.
There's a previous video of an incident from about a week ago where a few of them went into a church and started verbally abusing the vicar (and causing distress to the parishoners) because his church was allegedly helping refugees. The police did turn up on that occasion.
I suspect that when you cross the literal threshold into extended trespassing in privately owned buildings, the police are gonna view that as more in the realm of violating ye olde sanctity of the castle, whereas assholish parking violations are more just an abuse of the commons of the type people are more accustomed to tolerating on an everyday basis(*).
I'm not sure what your point is in this context, the latest episode saw them blocking roads and ports (which on previous occasions has been interpreted as 'blocking critical national infrastructure').
Well, I was speculating why the police responded to the trespassing at the church, but not to the automotive mobbing outlined by Hope Not Hate.
FWIW, I was basing my comments on the Hope Not Hate Link in @Louise's post, which AFAICT didn't mention anything about the national-infrastructure issue.
You mentioned "assholish parking violations", but the main complaint via Louise's link:
"On Saturday evening, hours after 300-400 far-right activists, dressed in black and wearing balaclavas, blocked roads around the port of Dover"
(The port would count as national infrastructure).
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I suspect that when you cross the literal threshold into extended trespassing in privately owned buildings, the police are gonna view that as more in the realm of violating ye olde sanctity of the castle, whereas assholish parking violations are more just an abuse of the commons of the type people are more accustomed to tolerating on an everyday basis(*).
(*) And this is not neccessarily an outrageous double standard. If some drunks from the local pub all puke on my lawn one night, I'm gonna be pissed off, but still perceive it as much less a magnitude of threat than if they wander into my kitchen to puke in the sink and refuse to depart when asked.
I'm not sure what your point is in this context, the latest episode saw them blocking roads and ports (which on previous occasions has been interpreted as 'blocking critical national infrastructure').
The concept of a Breach of the Peace isn’t of itself a crime: it’s used for the most part to prevent crimes, ie by moving people on or breaking up a protest or demonstration.
I’m not a lawyer, but I have been on the receiving end of both (didn’t get charged but it was stated via a megaphone!)
Well, I was speculating why the police responded to the trespassing at the church, but not to the automotive mobbing outlined by Hope Not Hate.
FWIW, I was basing my comments on the Hope Not Hate Link in @Louise's post, which AFAICT didn't mention anything about the national-infrastructure issue.
Did the church invasion happen in the same police jurisdiction as the parking fiasco?
Similar laws in Canada as well. There was a case in the 1980s where a Catholic bishop in the maritimes used them against a group of Trad Caths who had repeatedly entered his churches trying to get Communion on the tongue. The Trad Caths won.
You mentioned "assholish parking violations", but the main complaint via Louise's link:
"On Saturday evening, hours after 300-400 far-right activists, dressed in black and wearing balaclavas, blocked roads around the port of Dover"
(The port would count as national infrastructure).