Goats in church

This appeared on my town's Facebook Page:

"Would the person that brings their goat to church every week, just not? I know you think he's fine with his little blanket and bowl of water, but the whole apartment complex has to listen to it bleet and carry on.
I don't go to the church, the goat is tied to a ute and left outside for however long they're there for."

Interested parties haven't narrowed down the church yet. Not one of my shacks, anyway. But if it were, I'd be minded to put down a mat and invite the goat in. What do other Shippies think?
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  • TrinitarianTrinitarian Shipmate Posts: 7
    I naively assumed that “goat” in this thread title was meant in a Matthew 25 way, but I see it was rather more literally zoological
  • SandemaniacSandemaniac Shipmate
    Sounds a bit "Meh!" to me.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    This appeared on my town's Facebook Page:

    "Would the person that brings their goat to church every week, just not? I know you think he's fine with his little blanket and bowl of water, but the whole apartment complex has to listen to it bleet and carry on.
    I don't go to the church, the goat is tied to a ute and left outside for however long they're there for."

    Interested parties haven't narrowed down the church yet. Not one of my shacks, anyway. But if it were, I'd be minded to put down a mat and invite the goat in. What do other Shippies think?

    I'd be contacting the local animal welfare organisation (RSPCA here in Australia).
  • Yes, that thought occurred to me. Presumably the goat bleats because it's missing its owner, although, if it were inside the church, it might cause a disturbance there instead.

    Either way, something's not quite right.
  • HarryCHHarryCH Shipmate
    Am I the only person wondering about "ute"? If I try yo look this up, all I find are references to Ute natives and a town called Ute in Iowa,
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited July 13
    I think it means *utility vehicle* - a kind of pick-up truck which also has accommodation for passengers:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ute_(vehicle)
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    From Wikipedia
    A ute, originally an abbreviation for "utility" or "coupé utility", is a term used in Australia and New Zealand to describe vehicles with a tonneau behind the passenger compartment, that can be driven with a regular driver's licence.

    Traditionally, the term referred to vehicles built on passenger car chassis and with the cargo tray integrated with the passenger body (coupé utility vehicles). However, present-day usage of the term "ute" in Australian English and New Zealand English has expanded to include any vehicle with an open cargo area at the rear, which would be called a pickup truck in other countries.
  • TwangistTwangist Shipmate
    Not "greatest of all time" then?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    This appeared on my town's Facebook Page:

    "Would the person that brings their goat to church every week, just not? I know you think he's fine with his little blanket and bowl of water, but the whole apartment complex has to listen to it bleet and carry on.
    I don't go to the church, the goat is tied to a ute and left outside for however long they're there for."

    Interested parties haven't narrowed down the church yet. Not one of my shacks, anyway. But if it were, I'd be minded to put down a mat and invite the goat in. What do other Shippies think?

    Maybe I lack sociological imagination, but I'm somewhat bemused at the idea of a setting where there could be something reasonably described as an "apartment complex", in the same vicinity as a person who would trot his goat around town.
  • Well, at a guess - the owner of the goat lives way outside town, but comes into town for church on Sundays. There's no-one left at home to look after his goat, so the goat has to come with him.
  • What kind of minute-by-minute care does a goat need that makes leaving it at home for a couple hours impossible? I mean, give it food, water, and confine it to one area. Make sure it has shade, and the local coyotes or whatever can't get at it. Done, right?
  • I did say I was guessing, but you're right.

    However, it may be that the owner lives in an area where goat-stealing is rampant, and, as it's the only animal companion he has in his lonely life, he takes it with him to church on Sundays.

    That said, the goat-thieves could easily follow him, and snatch the goat whilst the owner is saying his prayers.

    There is, no doubt, a back story...
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    Feels like someone is being made a scapegoat, I’ll get my coat …
  • angloidangloid Shipmate
    Feels like someone is being made a scapegoat, I’ll get my coat …

    Well this is a place for discussion of liturgical practices. There should be plenty of inspiration for relevant and imaginative liturgy in Leviticus 16.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Feels like someone is being made a scapegoat

    Well, I'm guessing he's a pretty gruff character.
  • What a silly-billy you are...
    :lol:

    I'll get me goat coat.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    What a silly-billy you are...
    :lol:

    I'll get me goat coat.

    Yeah, enough with the trolling.
  • LatchKeyKidLatchKeyKid Shipmate
    I did say I was guessing, but you're right.

    However, it may be that the owner lives in an area where goat-stealing is rampant, and, as it's the only animal companion he has in his lonely life, he takes it with him to church on Sundays.

    That said, the goat-thieves could easily follow him, and snatch the goat whilst the owner is saying his prayers.

    There is, no doubt, a back story...

    In 1974, in Brisbane, our community house somehow acquired a goat that lived in our garden. It was there for some weeks, and one day it vanished. Some said they suspected "the Greeks" of stealing it for dinner. No more was heard of it.
  • This is amazing. I am hoping we can discover more about this goat, and its owner, and why the goat cannot be trusted to stay home on its own during worship. (maybe it's doing drugs? screwing around on the computer? throwing wild parties Sunday morning?)
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    Twangist wrote: »
    Not "greatest of all time" then?

    Yes, one hopes He's there of course!
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    I did say I was guessing, but you're right.

    However, it may be that the owner lives in an area where goat-stealing is rampant, and, as it's the only animal companion he has in his lonely life, he takes it with him to church on Sundays.

    That said, the goat-thieves could easily follow him, and snatch the goat whilst the owner is saying his prayers.

    There is, no doubt, a back story...

    In 1974, in Brisbane, our community house somehow acquired a goat that lived in our garden. It was there for some weeks, and one day it vanished. Some said they suspected "the Greeks" of stealing it for dinner. No more was heard of it.

    It was raptured! Everyone else on Earth was left! Pray for us, O Holy Goat!
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    This appeared on my town's Facebook Page:

    "Would the person that brings their goat to church every week, just not? I know you think he's fine with his little blanket and bowl of water, but the whole apartment complex has to listen to it bleet and carry on.
    I don't go to the church, the goat is tied to a ute and left outside for however long they're there for."

    Interested parties haven't narrowed down the church yet. Not one of my shacks, anyway. But if it were, I'd be minded to put down a mat and invite the goat in. What do other Shippies think?

    Maybe I lack sociological imagination, but I'm somewhat bemused at the idea of a setting where there could be something reasonably described as an "apartment complex", in the same vicinity as a person who would trot his goat around town.

    House church, maybe? Maybe it's in one of the apartments?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    This appeared on my town's Facebook Page:

    "Would the person that brings their goat to church every week, just not? I know you think he's fine with his little blanket and bowl of water, but the whole apartment complex has to listen to it bleet and carry on.
    I don't go to the church, the goat is tied to a ute and left outside for however long they're there for."

    Interested parties haven't narrowed down the church yet. Not one of my shacks, anyway. But if it were, I'd be minded to put down a mat and invite the goat in. What do other Shippies think?

    Maybe I lack sociological imagination, but I'm somewhat bemused at the idea of a setting where there could be something reasonably described as an "apartment complex", in the same vicinity as a person who would trot his goat around town.

    House church, maybe? Maybe it's in one of the apartments?

    Could be. Or they rent a rec-room in the block?
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Our congregation has an owner of a herd of goats. She has never brought them to church, though. She thinks the goats get short shrift when it comes to the division of the sheep from the goats.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    I loved goat when I discovered it in an Ethiopian restaurant in London, On.
  • AravisAravis Shipmate
    There is an elderly man who occasionally walks his goat in our local park. I’ve never seen one at church though.
    I have eaten goat a few times - several times years ago as a pastoral assistant in a Midlands church with a number of West Indian families in the congregation, and once recently with an elderly Somali couple.
  • TubbsTubbs Admin Emeritus, Epiphanies Host
    This appeared on my town's Facebook Page:

    "Would the person that brings their goat to church every week, just not? I know you think he's fine with his little blanket and bowl of water, but the whole apartment complex has to listen to it bleet and carry on.
    I don't go to the church, the goat is tied to a ute and left outside for however long they're there for."

    Interested parties haven't narrowed down the church yet. Not one of my shacks, anyway. But if it were, I'd be minded to put down a mat and invite the goat in. What do other Shippies think?

    If the goat is on a lead and house trained, I can't see why it can't come in. Were there photos of said goat on the FB post?
  • DavidDavid Shipmate
    This sort of thing really gets my goat.

    Talking of which, I’ll get my goat. No, I mean my coat.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    I prefer it in a curry.
  • Caissa wrote: »
    I prefer it in a curry.

    :naughty:

    Seriously, though - St Francis-tide is approaching (his feast day is Saturday 4th October), and I expect there will be a number of Places which will be holding some sort of *Blessing of Animals/Pets* service, or the like.

    These are not necessarily Bad Things, though I'm reminded of the advice (from show business?) of never working with children or animals...

    Do any of you have (or know of) plans for such services at Your Places?
  • Caissa wrote: »
    I prefer it in a curry.

    :naughty:

    Seriously, though - St Francis-tide is approaching (his feast day is Saturday 4th October), and I expect there will be a number of Places which will be holding some sort of *Blessing of Animals/Pets* service, or the like.

    When my niece was very young she pointed to one of the lambs that had been brought into church and asked "Is that the same type of lamb we eat?". "Yes" replied her mother, mentally steeling herself for some kind of outburst. "Oh", said my niece "They look really tasty"
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited August 22
    Caissa wrote: »
    I prefer it in a curry.

    :naughty:

    Seriously, though - St Francis-tide is approaching (his feast day is Saturday 4th October), and I expect there will be a number of Places which will be holding some sort of *Blessing of Animals/Pets* service, or the like.

    These are not necessarily Bad Things, though I'm reminded of the advice (from show business?) of never working with children or animals...
    Attributed to W. C. Fields, to be precise.

    Of course, the reason one shouldn’t work with them is they always steal the show.


  • I'm guessing it's a therapy goat, but it couldn't be taken inside or it would eat the hymn books. And it might get into the communion wine.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    I'm guessing it's a therapy goat, but it couldn't be taken inside or it would eat the hymn books. And it might get into the communion wine.

    Given what goats get up to while sober the latter does not bear thinking about!
  • CathscatsCathscats Shipmate
    Also, have you ever smelt a goat? Pungent is not the word!
  • Cathscats wrote: »
    Also, have you ever smelt a goat? Pungent is not the word!

    Entire *Male* goat. Castrated males and nannies are pleasantly innocuous, and I don't mean by comparison either.
  • CathscatsCathscats Shipmate
    Ah. I have only encountered wild goats up close. Having them run down the road in front of me, back in my running days, was an olfactory experience never forgotten.
  • Yes, the males are impressively pungent!

    My parents kept goats when oi were a lad, and when they had a billy Dad had to walk him up the road on a lead (if they let him out on the yard, he would just do bloke goat things up the side of the girl's shed & not get any exercise at all). It took about 10 years to get the smell out of the overalls he wore.

    No-one ever quite crashed their car driving past him, going "WTF is that?" but he said there were a few close calls!
  • AravisAravis Shipmate
    Another church in our area is having a pets’ blessing service soon. I hope they know what they’re doing.
    A friend told me about a family service she once went to where children had been encouraged to bring and show their pets. The vicar asked a boy to come up to the front and show everyone his pet hamster. In the process of taking the microphone he managed to lose his grip on the hamster so shouted “Oh shit” into the microphone and raced off down the aisle to catch it…
  • Random observation, you can sing the title of this thread to Duran Duran's Girls on Film.
  • Aravis wrote: »
    Another church in our area is having a pets’ blessing service soon. I hope they know what they’re doing.
    A friend told me about a family service she once went to where children had been encouraged to bring and show their pets. The vicar asked a boy to come up to the front and show everyone his pet hamster. In the process of taking the microphone he managed to lose his grip on the hamster so shouted “Oh shit” into the microphone and raced off down the aisle to catch it…

    My reverend brother-in-law had a service for blessing pets and their owners, several times, but he did it on the grass outside the church. Just as well, as it turned out.
  • AmosAmos Shipmate
    It was only yesterday that I was told of a former Rector in the parish where I'm vacationing who, instead of the more usual sheep, brought in his goats to keep the grass in the churchyard down. The nannies would be tethered, but their kids were allowed the freedom of the churchyard, with the understanding that they'd want to stay near their mothers.
    In practice, this meant that the kids climbed up the buttresses and played on the lower reaches of the church roof, nibbling any moss and wallflowers that might have grown in the gutters or between the stones. The children in the school next door loved to watch them, and I'm only sorry that nobody ever thought to take a picture.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    When we were on Vancouver Island we stopped off at a market/coffee shop called 'Goats on the Roof' - though I can't recollect seeing any actually grazing. Another goat-related Canadian cafe was 'The Sleepless Goat' in downtown Kingston On - a shabby 60s Hippy joint all purple walls and chakra paintings.

    The only real live goats I've seen were on the Great Orme in Llandudno.
  • Amos wrote: »
    It was only yesterday that I was told of a former Rector in the parish where I'm vacationing who, instead of the more usual sheep, brought in his goats to keep the grass in the churchyard down. The nannies would be tethered, but their kids were allowed the freedom of the churchyard, with the understanding that they'd want to stay near their mothers.
    In practice, this meant that the kids climbed up the buttresses and played on the lower reaches of the church roof, nibbling any moss and wallflowers that might have grown in the gutters or between the stones. The children in the school next door loved to watch them, and I'm only sorry that nobody ever thought to take a picture.

    Yes, goats are very adventurous as a great climbers. Not surprised to hear they made it to the roof.
  • Mr Heavenly owns a tech firm specialising in dog activity monitors and several colleagues bring their dogs to work (their office is a Victorian townhouse with a garden). One of his colleagues has also brought their goat to work.
  • Firenze wrote: »
    When we were on Vancouver Island we stopped off at a market/coffee shop called 'Goats on the Roof' - though I can't recollect seeing any actually grazing. Another goat-related Canadian cafe was 'The Sleepless Goat' in downtown Kingston On - a shabby 60s Hippy joint all purple walls and chakra paintings.

    The only real live goats I've seen were on the Great Orme in Llandudno.

    You can (or could - it's been a long time) see wild goats from the train from Perth to Inverness on the way up to Druimuachdar Summit. You could probably see them from the A9 too if you dare take your eyes off the road.
  • I have seen wild goats on the Great Orme, in the Valley of the Rocks in Devon, and on the island of Lundy.
  • HarryCHHarryCH Shipmate
    I have also seen wild goats in the valley of the Rocks neat Lynton in Devon. They walked up and down a 60-degree hillside as if it were level.
  • I've seen them on Tryfan in Eryri, and heard them on Slioch in Wester Ross.
  • There must be a Blessing of Animals or two thread in Eccles already? Anyway, in retirement, my only regular gig is in a mountain-top community, can't really call it even a hamlet, of scattered farms some 50km or so from the unofficial capital of North Queensland. From a couple of hundred inhabitants, we get 20 or so to the monthly ecumenical communion service. A fantastic ratio, which if it had been extrapolated to my last parish in a city of 200,000 would have given me a cong of 20,000, Hillsong stuff.
    I always hold a Blessing of Animals. Some young people ride to the Community Hall (where services are held, while the bar is open 😉) on horseback, so there are gee-gees by default. And in addition to the usual dogs/cats/hamsters/parrots/roosters, a wildlife carer will often bring a rescued feral piglet or kangaroo joey.
    Tunbridge Wells it ain't.
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