Donald ******* Trump

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  • Indeed.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited February 27
    The post @Bishops Finger is replying to above...

    stetson wrote: »
    I suspect the names are mostly remembered because they sound kinda quirky to the anglophone ear, rather than due to any widespread interest in the story itself.

    I mean, yeah, guys getting tossed into a furnace would normally be pretty memorable, but doesn't really stand out too much from the rest of the ubiquitous wackiness in the Old Testament.
  • Sorry - I should have used the Quote facility.

  • 'Please wait a moment, Zir Starmer. Our President and Mr Musk just want to personally welcome Mr Andrew Tate to the Land of the Free.'
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Meanwhile, I see that our PM Starmer is visiting the Orange Emperor in the latter's Court today. No doubt Sir Keir will be respectful and pragmatic, but I do most sincerely hope that he will refrain from inviting the Orange Emperor to the UK...
    Hopes once again dashed. Time to warm up the protest songs and produce the placards, even without Janey Godley, and have millions on the street declaring we don't want the Crooked Orange One here. A good warm welcome from the UK.
  • O well. Maybe we'll see the Baby Trumpkin balloon flying over London again...
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    O well. Maybe we'll see the Baby Trumpkin balloon flying over London again...
    Maybe blimp size this time.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Journalist: Mr President do you still think Zelenskyy is a dictator.
    Trump: Did I say that I don’t remember.

    No mineral deal = Zelenskyy is a dictator.
    Mineral deal = Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian people are very brave.
    I will make no further comment
  • I shack. You shack? To bed we go!
  • The invitation was from the Palace, not Downing Street. Perhaps Charles wants to disabuse Trump of his misconceptions about Canada. It was noticeable that the President returned the Royal letter to Starmer to disclose the contents. Could he not read HM's notorious handwriting, or can't he read?
  • Eirenist wrote: »
    The invitation was from the Palace, not Downing Street. Perhaps Charles wants to disabuse Trump of his misconceptions about Canada. It was noticeable that the President returned the Royal letter to Starmer to disclose the contents. Could he not read HM's notorious handwriting, or can't he read?

    I guess it's the protocol for one Head of State to invite another HoS, but I hope the PM won't invite the God-Emperor to address Parliament.

    No date has yet been set AFAIK, but protests and petitions are being organised. Maybe the God-Emperor will be delighted at the bigliness of the crowds who don't turn out to adore and worship him...
  • Eirenist wrote: »
    The invitation was from the Palace, not Downing Street. Perhaps Charles wants to disabuse Trump of his misconceptions about Canada. It was noticeable that the President returned the Royal letter to Starmer to disclose the contents. Could he not read HM's notorious handwriting, or can't he read?

    Maybe he was just bullying Starmer.
  • In yet another triumph for British journalism, The Times front-page report on yesterday's White House meeting stresses Trump's 'offers' while making virtually no mention of the Prime Minister.
  • I guess that, in NuSpic, *offers* means *demands*...

    Anyway, Trump's not interested in Ken Kevin Keir - he just wants to have tea with the Queen, like last time.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    I guess that, in NuSpic, *offers* means *demands*...

    Anyway, Trump's not interested in Ken Kevin Keir - he just wants to have tea with the Queen, like last time.

    He will need a spiritualist.
  • Or a lift from Charon...
    :naughty:
  • Just for once, I feel a bit sorry for King Chuck and Queen Vanilla, who will have to put up with the awful Orange God-Emperor's visit, and will have to look as though they're enjoying it...
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    They invited him ...
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Just for once, I feel a bit sorry for King Chuck and Queen Vanilla, who will have to put up with the awful Orange God-Emperor's visit, and will have to look as though they're enjoying it...

    They put up with Prince Andrew, I think they'll be okay.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    edited February 28
    Boogie wrote: »
    They invited him ...

    It's the government who decides who should be invited, not the monarch. The royals just sign it.
    "Invitations for state visits are sent by the Royal Household with supervision by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office." Wiki.
  • His mother and Father had Ceaucescu, I think.
  • Correction: Had to entertain the Ceaucescus. And Trump, of course. Tea with the present Queen might be a bit different.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    edited February 28
    Have just seen the evening news.

    Trump and Vance have just behaved utterly disgracefully, insulting Zelensky as though he were a toddler, and through him, the entire Ukrainian nation. I think it is the most disgusting display of political arrogance I have ever seen.

    If that is how they behave and are prepared to behave in public, that makes the USA no longer a friend or ally that any other country should be prepared to want or be associated with.

    IMHO also, Trump and Vance have deeply shamed the country they lead, and its citizens, collectively and each one of them personally and individually.

    I've not been following the rest of this thread, but I believe this is so outrageous that it must be said, publicly and repeated.

  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    Yes 😢
  • Yes, outright bullying by Trump and Vance. I bet they don't talk to Putin like this. And Ukrainians are dying every day. Trump shames the US.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Horrible to see.
    Playground bullies.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    Zelenskyy is astonishingly brave. I feel humbled by him.
  • I didn't see and don't want to see, but I have a question. How did Zelensky handle it?
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    It didn’t go well :(
  • So where is Trump going here? He is bullying Zelensky, and admiring Putin. So does the US sit on its hands, while Russia slices pieces off Ukraine? As others have said, its worse than Munich, as Chamberlain was buying time.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    I can’t quite work out from the BBC coverage whether Zelensky actually walked out - or whether it was simply the joint news conference was cancelled and he then left.
  • Incidentally, some journos are calling this an ambush by Trump and Vance. It looked like it.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    Of course it was an ambush. That's what bullies do.
  • Yes, but if they set out to ambush Zelensky, to what end? Humiliating him is intended to help Putin, or force Ukraine to accept being an American colony? Or both.
  • Baptist TrainfanBaptist Trainfan Shipmate
    edited February 28
    According to CNN via the Guardian: “Trump ... directed Secretary Rubio and his national security adviser Mike Waltz to deliver the message: it was time for Zelensky to leave”.

    Every PM in Europe, from Ireland to Poland, seems to be coming out in support of Zelensky.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    Time for countries to diplomatically isolate trump.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    edited February 28
    It’s fairly clear Trump is not an ally, he’s for sale. At times it maybe worth buying him - but beyond that Europe is on its own - as is Ukraine.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    It makes Starmer's recent visit seem even more craven by comparison.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited February 28
    News reports in the UK refer to Zelenskyy being *humiliated*. Maybe so, but it is he who emerges from this affray with dignity and credit.

    The tinpot little comedian-turned-dictator may not be a tall man, physically, but he stands head and shoulders above the odious Orange One.
    Caissa wrote: »
    Time for countries to diplomatically isolate trump.

    This, if it could be achieved.

  • Just listened to the press conference on LBC as I was driving home from the station tonight.

    Dear God in heaven.
  • ArielAriel Shipmate
    edited February 28
    Just dropped by to say wtf. Top-level, grown up political discussion, right? "You didn't say thank you."

    There is one good thing about this though, Zelensky left without signing away Ukraine's mineral rights.
    NicoleMR wrote: »
    I didn't see and don't want to see, but I have a question. How did Zelensky handle it?

    He did his best to stay calm under pressure, listen and put his case. Then Trump put an end to it, the press conference was cancelled, and Zelensky was told by Rubio he wasn't welcome in the White House today and should leave. So he left.

    Wtf.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    According to CNN via the Guardian: “Trump ... directed Secretary Rubio and his national security adviser Mike Waltz to deliver the message: it was time for Zelensky to leave”.

    Every PM in Europe, from Ireland to Poland, seems to be coming out in support of Zelensky.

    I wonder what our PM will do.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    According to CNN via the Guardian: “Trump ... directed Secretary Rubio and his national security adviser Mike Waltz to deliver the message: it was time for Zelensky to leave”.

    Every PM in Europe, from Ireland to Poland, seems to be coming out in support of Zelensky.

    I wonder what our PM will do.

    Straddle the fence like a pasty colossus, pleasing no-one.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    I hope he says, "sod the Special Relationship" - who would want to be associated with those unspeakable thugs?
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited February 28
    @Ariel said:

    There is one good thing about this though, Zelensky left without signing away Ukraine's mineral rights.

    So Toddler Trumpkin didn't get his own way...

    Starmer is hosting a Ukraine defence conference this weekend, to be attended by most European leaders, so he won't be able to sit on the fence very comfortably, even if he wished to do so.
  • ArielAriel Shipmate
    edited February 28
    @Ariel said:

    There is one good thing about this though, Zelensky left without signing away Ukraine's mineral rights.

    So Toddler Trumpkin didn't get his own way...

    No. Just as well, but what next? Those minerals are in demand.

    I fancy Starmer is going to be playing a leading role in negotiations and developments on this side of the Atlantic. He spoke to Trump in his own language yesterday using some of his favourite vocabulary and it worked very well. Zelensky didn't do that. He made no attempt to flatter Trump. I'm not blaming him but it is the approach that works best.

    Btw did anyone notice that comment about Hunter Biden's laptop?
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    So Toddler Trumpkin didn't get his own way...
    He threw a tantrum, made himself and his staff look awful. He's basically blown any chance of making a deal with Zelensky, at least not one that heavily favours the US over Ukraine (I can imagine a scenario where Zelensky comes back to offer Trump some worthless bauble in exchange for a significant gain and the chance for Trump to say he's made a deal). Trump demonstrated the art of not making a deal.

  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Trump and Vance were bullies and their behaviour was awful. However, I get the impression that Zelenskyy thought that Trump was going to get him a deal which would be some sort of a win.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    edited February 28
    Telford wrote: »
    Trump and Vance were bullies and their behaviour was awful. However, I get the impression that Zelenskyy thought that Trump was going to get him a deal which would be some sort of a win.

    I don't quite understand your point - surely as leader of Ukraine obviously Zelenskyy must be trying to strike a deal to get his country support? That was the whole point of the visit, wasn't it? And Trump had given the impression that this might be at least possible. But perhaps he never meant it at all.
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    Trump is reminding me more and more of Groucho Marx as Rufus T. Firefly in Duck Soup.
    'If you think this country's bad off now, just wait till I get through with it.'
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