The Labour Government - 2025

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  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    I read yesterday that Labour would have preferred Reform to have won the by-election and Starmer seems to be wanting to paint the Greens as extreme hard-left.

    From where Starmer is standing, the Greens probably are extreme hard-left. Mind you, from where Starmer stands, Harold Macmillan was left wing.

    And Starmer's tantrum about 'secterianism' lent oxygen to Reform's claim about family voting.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Starmer is only seeing behind him as he watching his back. He has survived the bye election. The local and other elections coming up may take him out. Welsh Labour are still trying to distance themselves from Westminster. I don’t know if they can.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Starmer remains only as a punching bag until after the May elections. Might as well let him soak up all the inevitable bad news. Presumably Streeting is hoping people forget about Mandelson by then. Sarwar will, I assume, also be forced to walk the plank.
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    Hugal wrote: »
    Starmer is only seeing behind him as he watching his back. He has survived the bye election. The local and other elections coming up may take him out. Welsh Labour are still trying to distance themselves from Westminster. I don’t know if they can.

    In Wales things could get very complicated with two new forces, Reform and The Greens, potentially splitting the vote up to six ways (if the Tories get anything at all). Somehow the “anti Reform” vote has to mobilise sensibly which could be disastrous for Starmer, or merely a poor show.

  • BasketactortaleBasketactortale Shipmate
    edited March 5
    It seems that the Labour Home Secretary, whose name I forget, is today talking about ways to punish refugees. I guess it is because she thinks they are not homeless in sufficient numbers.
  • Shabana Mahmood
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    As Jonathan Ported points out she is using the same deliberately misleading language as the right.

    https://bsky.app/profile/jdportes.bsky.social/post/3mgcdxh3fpc2z
  • We are in a dangerous moment. The Iran war looks like it could get a lot worse, currently fuel prices are spiking because of blockages in the Strait of Hormuz. There seems potential that this could spiral into a full inflationary crisis.

    Without oil and gas imports the economy is going to grind to a halt within weeks.

  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    The Chancellor’s reassurances yesterday don’t look so good today. This could get out of control quickly. I feel a little sorry for her. It is not her fault Trump decided to take matters into his own hands.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    This manages to be both cringe and unintentionally humorous through the choice of soundtrack:

    https://bsky.app/profile/politicsuk.com/post/3mgdvb7uj3s2t

    I'm not sure who this is supposed to appeal to, presumably there are Labour supporters somewhere who really want the UK PM to be Presidential -- though the adenoidal voice somewhat undermines the footage of helicopters.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    A slightly suprising anticipated proposal from Ed Davey here. "Lib Dems urge construction of loads of nuclear weapons" was not on my 2026 headline bingo chart.
  • Jane RJane R Shipmate
    We laughed at the French when they decided they wanted an independent nuclear deterrent... bet nobody's laughing now.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    I read yesterday that Labour would have preferred Reform to have won the by-election and Starmer seems to be wanting to paint the Greens as extreme hard-left.

    From where Starmer is standing, the Greens probably are extreme hard-left. Mind you, from where Starmer stands, Harold Macmillan was left wing.

    And Starmer's tantrum about 'secterianism' lent oxygen to Reform's claim about family voting.

    And one looks obviously false and the other terribly cynical given the outcome of the investigation.

    Meanwhile even his friends are finding out that Goodwin has a very off putting Partridge-like persona:

    https://bsky.app/profile/huwcdavies.bsky.social/post/3mi2zbdzlls2e
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    Giving this kind of ultimatum which hurts oneself (and the country) with an election in sight seems somewhat foolish:

    https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-issues-48-hour-ultimatum-over-reckless-doctors-strikes-13526295
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    Apropos of nothing I enjoyed this Martin Rowson piece in the Guardian about how Keir Starmer is (checks notes) very popular in Beijing - I particularly like the restaurant menu with his face on it...
  • Merry VoleMerry Vole Shipmate
    Can our prime minister escape, Houdini like, from this Mandleson affair? I think the last thing we need now is a new prime minister.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Merry Vole wrote: »
    Can our prime minister escape, Houdini like, from this Mandleson affair? I think the last thing we need now is a new prime minister.

    Depends who it is. The problem is that the Labour Party is sorely lacking in "big beasts" just now. There's no Brown, no Cook, no Mowlam, just a gang of hacks and spivs.
  • RockyRogerRockyRoger Shipmate
    hacks and spivs eh? That good? Bring back The Monster Raving Loony Party!
    Oh, hold on, that's now called 'Reform'.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Just now we seem to be at the "Heads will roll. Assistant heads, anyway." stage.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    ... and if not for the Americans burning people they don't care about he'd still be in post. So much for the curiosity and investigation skills of the British media.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    Just now we seem to be at the "Heads will roll. Assistant heads, anyway." stage.

    I'm reminded of Mandelson's letter to Epstein after he had been sentenced in 2008, where he assured him that such a thing "just could not happen in Britain"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_of_Peter_Mandelson_and_Jeffrey_Epstein#Support_of_Epstein
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    Merry Vole wrote: »
    Can our prime minister escape, Houdini like, from this Mandleson affair? I think the last thing we need now is a new prime minister.

    True.

    But if he did know when why take him on? If he didn't know he should have done. It's a crucial appointment.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    edited April 17
    Starmer has said he will not resign. I never thought he would. The call from the leader of the opposition for him to go was the right thing for her to do, but it is not going to happen. Not before the upcoming elections at least
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    Merry Vole wrote: »
    Can our prime minister escape, Houdini like, from this Mandleson affair? I think the last thing we need now is a new prime minister.

    If there was anyone resembling an alternative to Starmer, they would be a shoo-in. But Andy Burnham isn’t in Parliament.

  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    sionisais wrote: »
    Merry Vole wrote: »
    Can our prime minister escape, Houdini like, from this Mandleson affair? I think the last thing we need now is a new prime minister.

    If there was anyone resembling an alternative to Starmer, they would be a shoo-in. But Andy Burnham isn’t in Parliament.

    And seems to be actively being blocked by Starmer. The commitment by Starmer to prevent absolutely any dissent in the PLP is shameful.
  • It is another exact copy of Blair. He's a carbon copy, without the good bits. I seem to remember there were some.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    It is another exact copy of Blair. He's a carbon copy, without the good bits. I seem to remember there were some.

    Blair was confident in his abilities (too confident...) and therefore wasn't paranoid about backbenchers who disagreed with him.
  • True, but with the exception of Gordon Brown, he never let anyone really develop in office to the point where they could be a serious alternative leader to him.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    But the big difference is that Blair was an astonishingly good public performer who was genuinely very popular for a long time.
  • ThunderBunkThunderBunk Shipmate
    edited April 18
    There is that. I could never understand it, but you are right. The tribute act is critically defective, and appears to have appointed a centenary edition of Oswald Moseley as health secretary.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    But the big difference is that Blair was an astonishingly good public performer who was genuinely very popular for a long time.

    I think a lot of that is down to the weakness of the Opposition at the time, and the backing of The Sun.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    True, but with the exception of Gordon Brown, he never let anyone really develop in office to the point where they could be a serious alternative leader to him.

    I think, to an extent, some of that was circumstantial - thinking of Mo Mowlam and Robin Cook here in particular - and other Blair-era remnants such as Yvette Cooper are unfortunately worse now than they were under Blair. I don't think Starmer has done anything close to introducing minimum wage for instance, which even the Lib Dems at the time opposed.
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    True, but with the exception of Gordon Brown, he never let anyone really develop in office to the point where they could be a serious alternative leader to him.

    He didn’t have the choice. Gordon Brown got where he did on his own terms. He was very unlucky to be at the top in the aftermath of the Credit Crunch. He wasn’t perfect but he was better than Blair and Starmer.

  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    Pomona wrote: »
    True, but with the exception of Gordon Brown, he never let anyone really develop in office to the point where they could be a serious alternative leader to him.

    I think, to an extent, some of that was circumstantial - thinking of Mo Mowlam and Robin Cook here in particular - and other Blair-era remnants such as Yvette Cooper are unfortunately worse now than they were under Blair. I don't think Starmer has done anything close to introducing minimum wage for instance, which even the Lib Dems at the time opposed.

    I don’t think that’s fair - day one sickness leave and parental leave rights are significant.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    Pomona wrote: »
    True, but with the exception of Gordon Brown, he never let anyone really develop in office to the point where they could be a serious alternative leader to him.

    I think, to an extent, some of that was circumstantial - thinking of Mo Mowlam and Robin Cook here in particular - and other Blair-era remnants such as Yvette Cooper are unfortunately worse now than they were under Blair. I don't think Starmer has done anything close to introducing minimum wage for instance, which even the Lib Dems at the time opposed.

    I don’t think that’s fair - day one sickness leave and parental leave rights are significant.

    The issue is that it wasn't his policy, it's significantly watered down from the original proposal, and it's complete insufficient to the economic circumstances.
  • LouiseLouise Epiphanies Host
    I've posted in Epiphanies about what's going on with Labour in their Scottish election campaign. It's pretty horrifying.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    I do not understand the point of security vetting, if you are not going to tell the person making the appointment if the appointee passed or failed.

    Nobody refuses to tell an employer if someone has passed or failed a CRB check on the grounds of confidentiality.

    Likewise in jobs where you have occupational health and CRB checks, you typically make the offer subject to the person being cleared to work.

    I don’t understand Olly Robinson’s position on Mandleson’s vetting at all. Passing on whether someone has passed or failed security vetting, is not the same as passing on all the information examined in the process of the vetting.
  • Merry VoleMerry Vole Shipmate
    In todays' Matt cartoon the caption is

    "Could the Labour Party replace Keir Starmer without telling him?"
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