Should we take it as a given that any Labour MPs who vote for the Tory motion today will have the whip removed from them by tomorrow evening?
And, presumably any Labour MP who has the whip removed will have no say in selecting a new Labour leader, when that happens, beyond their vote as a party member. Which would likely benefit the right in the party because the remaining left leaning Labour MPs are more likely to vote in principal.
If they have any sense the party will ditch Starmer and his Labour together overlords and move left again. They are never going to compete with Reform for the right
If they have any sense the party will ditch Starmer and his Labour together overlords and move left again. They are never going to compete with Reform for the right
There is no reason that "right" in an economic sense has to coincide with "right" in a bigoted arsehole sense. It often seems to coincide, but I don't think it's required.
If they have any sense the party will ditch Starmer and his Labour together overlords and move left again. They are never going to compete with Reform for the right
There is no reason that "right" in an economic sense has to coincide with "right" in a bigoted arsehole sense. It often seems to coincide, but I don't think it's required.
Selfishness and a complete lack of empathy do tend to push people in that direction on both counts.
If they have any sense the party will ditch Starmer and his Labour together overlords and move left again. They are never going to compete with Reform for the right
There is no reason that "right" in an economic sense has to coincide with "right" in a bigoted arsehole sense. It often seems to coincide, but I don't think it's required.
It’s not. People who are economically liberal but socially conservative are commonplace, and the Cameron government was notably economically conservative but socially liberal.
If they have any sense the party will ditch Starmer and his Labour together overlords and move left again. They are never going to compete with Reform for the right
There is no reason that "right" in an economic sense has to coincide with "right" in a bigoted arsehole sense. It often seems to coincide, but I don't think it's required.
It’s not. People who are economically liberal but socially conservative are commonplace, and the Cameron government was notably economically conservative but socially liberal.
Aren't conservative and liberal economics both right wing? Just depends on whether you want to use the state to ensure only your own country's capitalists grind the faces of the poor or you want capitalists of all nations to be able to grind the faces of the poor anywhere in the world.
On a political compass with two axes of economic left-right and social policy authoritarian-libertarian most political parties do fall along a line from liberal left to authoritarian right. There are, of course, exceptions - Libertarians fall within the liberal right quadrant, Communists in the authoritarian left.
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Yes, that's the implication.
There is no reason that "right" in an economic sense has to coincide with "right" in a bigoted arsehole sense. It often seems to coincide, but I don't think it's required.
Selfishness and a complete lack of empathy do tend to push people in that direction on both counts.
It’s not. People who are economically liberal but socially conservative are commonplace, and the Cameron government was notably economically conservative but socially liberal.
Aren't conservative and liberal economics both right wing? Just depends on whether you want to use the state to ensure only your own country's capitalists grind the faces of the poor or you want capitalists of all nations to be able to grind the faces of the poor anywhere in the world.