And I live in Ireland, where there are no indigenous black people. Most of those who are here arrived in the last 20 years. To most people here, they're as welcome as anyone else who wants to be Irish.
And I live in Ireland, where there are no indigenous black people. Most of those who are here arrived in the last 20 years. To most people here, they're as welcome as anyone else who wants to be Irish.
Ireland has several ports and maritime trade has long been part of the economy. Not as large as ports on the other side of the Irish Sea (Bristol, Liverpool and Glasgow being the largest) but they'd have had some involvement in the Atlantic trade, and like their counterparts in the rest of Britain there would have been a small black community associated with sailors, servants (even slaves before 1833) in the homes of the wealthy, which would be expected to have persisted. There's probably no major port city in Europe, and quite a few major cities without significant port facilities, where there wasn't a small resident community of black people by the early to mid 19th century.
There used be assertions that they were descendants of some sailors from the Spanish Armada, shipwrecked off Ireland as they tried to make their way home. I have no idea how true these actually were.
Until very modern times, the main means of connecting people was by sea. In the last century or so we've got used to connecting place by road and rail and think of the sea as a barrier. But, for the vast majority of human history it's been the other way around, the seas connected people. That means that since Roman times, at least, people have been moving up and down coasts, and when people move they also settle. There were significant trade routes from Spain and Portugal along the west coast of Europe, to Ireland and also the SW coast of England and through the Irish Sea to Scotland, and for sure some of those Iberian sailors would meet women in the ports at the end of their routes and settle down (or, simply get to Ireland or wherever and find their ship too damaged in storms to go home) - and, of course British sailors going the other way would do the same. Those trade routes also extended south into the NW coast of Africa, and almost certainly therefore some of the sailors on these ships would have been from there as well.
You don't need Armada shipwrecks to introduce Spanish men into Ireland, but that probably happened too. Shipwrecked sailors would have been taken in and helped wherever they came to grief (by definition, on the coast where the locals would have included a lot of sailors) and some of them would have settled down rather than return to their home.
Has that introduced a suitably nautical theme to end this tangent and get back to where the Ship is going?
Following that embarrassing cross-post above, I will try to stick strictly to topic.😞
The Ship is not a powered vessel; it drifts downstream on the tide of current ephemera. It's not going anywhere separate from where modern western society as a whole is going
Once it was anchored to something - the notion of civil debate. All views welcome provided you're prepared to defend them (courteously, of course).
But the current tide is tugging at that anchor. Not only in the deprecation of majority experience as "privileged". But, ISTM, also in an increasing acceptance among the left-leaning that it's OK to dismiss right-leaning views out of hand, without bothering to attempt to find the flaw in the argument. Alongside declining standards of civility.
Particularly egregious is the notion that one only has to liken a proposition to one expressed elsewhere (perhaps by a white supremacist, or on an "anti-trans" website) to dismiss it. This furthers nobody's understanding of the issue, and does nothing to indicate common ground. It's a refusal to debate.
Where is the ship going? Only a very occasional contributor here, but a lurker. Hold generally conservative views, got banned very quickly for expressing those views in a forthright and expressive way (although I did think it was in tune with the modus operandi of the thread).
I'd say overall that it is a predominately left wing / anti-conservative forum with a number of posters more keen to egotistically show off their (perceived) intellectual superiority in an arrogant and dismissive manner without really engaging with those who disagree other than to (ultimately) say bugger off you stupid oik. Not seen any real demonstration of Christian values or respect, tolerance, kindness or acceptance.
So where is it going? Round and round in descending circles to the floor of the sea i'd say.
You're still here. I for one am actually glad about this.
Apologies, you're right, I got suspended. And thank you, to be fair, that's the only kind word I've received, so far! I should of course work on my own "people skills".
I'd say overall that it is a predominately left wing / anti-conservative forum with a number of posters more keen to egotistically show off their (perceived) intellectual superiority in an arrogant and dismissive manner
...
Not seen any real demonstration of Christian values or respect, tolerance, kindness or acceptance.
The Frank Wilhoit quote that @Crœsos is fond of springs to mind.
I'd say overall that it is a predominately left wing / anti-conservative forum with a number of posters more keen to egotistically show off their (perceived) intellectual superiority in an arrogant and dismissive manner
...
Not seen any real demonstration of Christian values or respect, tolerance, kindness or acceptance.
The Frank Wilhoit quote that @Crœsos is fond of springs to mind.
I am not familiar with that, if you would be kind enough to point me in the direction where I can find it or re-post it here it would be appreciated.
You're still here. I for one am actually glad about this.
Apologies, you're right, I got suspended. And thank you, to be fair, that's the only kind word I've received, so far! I should of course work on my own "people skills".
If it helps, I was pleased to see you post your enquiry about Orthodoxy in Purgatory. I expect you should get some interesting answers as there are a few folk about (though some are Western Orthodox, if memory serves).
You're still here. I for one am actually glad about this.
Apologies, you're right, I got suspended. And thank you, to be fair, that's the only kind word I've received, so far! I should of course work on my own "people skills".
If it helps, I was pleased to see you post your enquiry about Orthodoxy in Purgatory. I expect you should get some interesting answers as there are a few folk about (though some are Western Orthodox, if memory serves).
Thank you. Although, so far no replies. A local Greek Orthodoxy community meets at a CoE church very near by and have invited me to one of their services post lockdown, they may point me in the direction of some good resources.
You're still here. I for one am actually glad about this.
Apologies, you're right, I got suspended. And thank you, to be fair, that's the only kind word I've received, so far! I should of course work on my own "people skills".
If it helps, I was pleased to see you post your enquiry about Orthodoxy in Purgatory. I expect you should get some interesting answers as there are a few folk about (though some are Western Orthodox, if memory serves).
Thank you. Although, so far no replies. A local Greek Orthodoxy community meets at a CoE church very near by and have invited me to one of their services post lockdown, they may point me in the direction of some good resources.
Generally 24 hours or so is about the time to leave a thread - remember that shipmates are all over the globe and keep many different schedules.
You're still here. I for one am actually glad about this.
Apologies, you're right, I got suspended. And thank you, to be fair, that's the only kind word I've received, so far! I should of course work on my own "people skills".
If it helps, I was pleased to see you post your enquiry about Orthodoxy in Purgatory. I expect you should get some interesting answers as there are a few folk about (though some are Western Orthodox, if memory serves).
Thank you. Although, so far no replies.
Give it time. Remember shipmates are spread around the world. I know one of our Orthodox shipmates is in the American Pacific Northwest, and another is, I think, in the Antipodes. So it may be awhile before they see the thread and can respond.
I know one of our Orthodox shipmates is in the American Pacific Northwest,
At least two of us, but the one at the computer next to me has many more irons in the internet fire right now and visits far less frequently than she once did.
I know one of our Orthodox shipmates is in the American Pacific Northwest,
At least two of us, but the one at the computer next to me has many more irons in the internet fire right now and visits far less frequently than she once did.
I really miss Josephine, not only for her input on Orthodox matters, but for her kindness and common sense and for her ability to give clear explanations.
Hold generally conservative views, got banned very quickly for expressing those views in a forthright and expressive way (although I did think it was in tune with the modus operandi of the thread).
A man says he doesn't like to start on the training slope and prefers to go straight to the black run. He comes a cropper on the black run. He blames the black run for being unfair.
Not only in the deprecation of majority experience as "privileged". But, ISTM, also in an increasing acceptance among the left-leaning that it's OK to dismiss right-leaning views out of hand, without bothering to attempt to find the flaw in the argument. Alongside declining standards of civility.
This comes from someone with a history of dismissing left-leaning views as dishonest before trying to debate them, and of making unevidenced accusations of dishonesty when he appears about to lose the argument.
Reading some of the posts on this thread, I cannot help thinking what CSL would have made of the argument 'You cannot say that because itis what X says', nor wondering how long it would have been because he was suspended or banned.
Hold generally conservative views, got banned very quickly for expressing those views in a forthright and expressive way (although I did think it was in tune with the modus operandi of the thread).
A man says he doesn't like to start on the training slope and prefers to go straight to the black run. He comes a cropper on the black run. He blames the black run for being unfair.
Not an adequate analogy i'm afraid. Apart from highlighting the absolute nonsense of the section of these forums being called "hell" being the edgy place where you have to have a tough skin (i've been on forums that make "hell" look like a sunday afternoon stroll by the Thames) a better analogy would be man walks into a pub in a sleepy Oxfordshire town, the pub which is meant to be "dangerous" wearing a blue t-shirt, behaves like the other patrons (all wearing red t-shirts) and gets thrown out. (Temporarily).
There are some pubs around here where if you entered wearing the wrong colour shirt you'd be very lucky to only get thrown out (though, here the colours would be blue or green).
Hold generally conservative views, got banned very quickly for expressing those views in a forthright and expressive way (although I did think it was in tune with the modus operandi of the thread).
A man says he doesn't like to start on the training slope and prefers to go straight to the black run. He comes a cropper on the black run. He blames the black run for being unfair.
Not an adequate analogy i'm afraid. Apart from highlighting the absolute nonsense of the section of these forums being called "hell" being the edgy place where you have to have a tough skin (i've been on forums that make "hell" look like a sunday afternoon stroll by the Thames) a better analogy would be man walks into a pub in a sleepy Oxfordshire town, the pub which is meant to be "dangerous" wearing a blue t-shirt, behaves like the other patrons (all wearing red t-shirts) and gets thrown out. (Temporarily).
Rubbish. We've had conservative trolls who've lasted quite a while. It is not the POV, but the behaviour
There are some pubs around here where if you entered wearing the wrong colour shirt you'd be very lucky to only get thrown out (though, here the colours would be blue or green).
Rubbish. We've had conservative trolls who've lasted quite a while. It is not the POV, but the behaviour
I've generally found (although not always, and not on all occasions) that labelling someone a "troll" is usually done by people, against people whose political point of view they disagree with and that there is a (rather large) tendency to ignore, downplay or sometimes even defend the "behaviour" of people on your "team" whilst highlighting and deploring the "behaviour" of those who are not on your "team". But i'm not sure how much self reflection or genuine honesty there is on the matter, so of course you will say "rubbish".
We are a bunch of ratbags, all of us. We fall in , we fall out. We step away from the keyboard and count to ten. We return and mutter then decide not to post. Some of us go away for a fortnight and only return once the heat has dissipated. Some leap right into the fray and appear to disengage brain first. Others leap right into the fray with their intellect piercing the gloomy dross. Some leave upset, most return. Some never return.
And we who do return, we do when and because we Want to.
The ship is not a bad place to be. Hang around a bit and you may even surprise yourself
Rubbish. We've had conservative trolls who've lasted quite a while. It is not the POV, but the behaviour
I've generally found (although not always, and not on all occasions) that labelling someone a "troll" is usually done by people [/sup]
Where does labeling people egosists who don't demonstrate "respect, tolerance, kindness or acceptance." come in your hierarchy?
I'm not sure I have a hierarchy in terms of behaviour or indeed "labelling" on social media / forums etc. I think we are ALL capable of shoddy behaviour and can be quite tribal and partisan when it comes to judging it.
There are some pubs around here where if you entered wearing the wrong colour shirt you'd be very lucky to only get thrown out (though, here the colours would be blue or green).
There are some pubs around here where if you entered wearing the wrong colour shirt you'd be very lucky to only get thrown out (though, here the colours would be blue or green).
Not all conservatives are trolls, nor are all liberals closed-minded. Conversely, not all liberals are trolls nor all conservatives closed-minded.
A troll is someone who chooses to enter an off-topic remark in order to still up a reaction. Usually, they are out for their own self-gratification and do not engage in discussions.
Liberals basically look forward, seeing new possibilities and options. Conservatives generally want to keep the status quo or even return to old tried and true ways.
I am thinking conservatives are finding it hard to defend the actions of politicians who are serving their own self-interests and have, therefore, withdrawn from the field.
Lately, both sides have become more entrenched in their perspectives; however, as this Heiniken Video illustrates, there can still be ways to bridge the gaps. I note the key to the bridging is empathy for the other.
We do need to be more welcoming to each other. We can engage in respectful debate. We can learn from each other.
Rubbish. We've had conservative trolls who've lasted quite a while. It is not the POV, but the behaviour
I've generally found (although not always, and not on all occasions) that labelling someone a "troll" is usually done by people, against people whose political point of view they disagree with and that there is a (rather large) tendency to ignore, downplay or sometimes even defend the "behaviour" of people on your "team" whilst highlighting and deploring the "behaviour" of those who are not on your "team". But i'm not sure how much self reflection or genuine honesty there is on the matter, so of course you will say "rubbish".
If one is looking for self-reflection and genuine honesty, one should start with oneself.
We are a bunch of ratbags, all of us. We fall in , we fall out. We step away from the keyboard and count to ten. We return and mutter then decide not to post. Some of us go away for a fortnight and only return once the heat has dissipated. Some leap right into the fray and appear to disengage brain first. Others leap right into the fray with their intellect piercing the gloomy dross. Some leave upset, most return. Some never return.
And we who do return, we do when and because we Want to.
The ship is not a bad place to be. Hang around a bit and you may even surprise yourself
Lately, both sides have become more entrenched in their perspectives; however, as this Heiniken Video illustrates, there can still be ways to bridge the gaps. I note the key to the bridging is empathy for the other.
Well, sit down and have a proper beer, not some piss like that.
Hold generally conservative views, got banned very quickly for expressing those views in a forthright and expressive way (although I did think it was in tune with the modus operandi of the thread).
A man says he doesn't like to start on the training slope and prefers to go straight to the black run. He comes a cropper on the black run. He blames the black run for being unfair.
Not an adequate analogy i'm afraid. Apart from highlighting the absolute nonsense of the section of these forums being called "hell" being the edgy place where you have to have a tough skin (i've been on forums that make "hell" look like a sunday afternoon stroll by the Thames) a better analogy would be man walks into a pub in a sleepy Oxfordshire town, the pub which is meant to be "dangerous" wearing a blue t-shirt, behaves like the other patrons (all wearing red t-shirts) and gets thrown out. (Temporarily).
Your determination to demonstrate that you, as a newcomer, understand the Ship better than people who have been here for years, and in some cases have been running the Ship for years, is not impressive.
Is this how you behave in the rest of your life? Do you walk into shops and after 5 minutes start explaining to the manager what is 'really going on'? Did you explain to your boss a couple of weeks into the job how to run the company? Or is it only a bunch of folk on the internet that you've never met in person that you think you understand completely so quickly?
From what I've seen, quite a few people have been trying pretty patiently and calmly to explain to you what's what, and you seem extraordinarily unwilling to entertain the possibility that the 'locals' in this supposed sleepy pub understand the place a heck of a lot more than the person who just arrived.
Conservatives generally want to keep the status quo or even return to old tried and true ways.
I am thinking conservatives are finding it hard to defend the actions of politicians who are serving their own self-interests and have, therefore, withdrawn from the field.
Hold on a second. Politicians serving their own self-interest is "old tried and true ways". Conservatives should love that (and many do).
You are missing the point. Conservatives have always held to past values. But, when politicians are serving their own self-interests, they are abandoning conservative values.
You are missing the point. Conservatives have always held to past values. But, when politicians are serving their own self-interests, they are abandoning conservative values.
Being self-serving is a "past value". A present value too, but that's of less interest to conservatives according to you.
Hold generally conservative views, got banned very quickly for expressing those views in a forthright and expressive way (although I did think it was in tune with the modus operandi of the thread).
A man says he doesn't like to start on the training slope and prefers to go straight to the black run. He comes a cropper on the black run. He blames the black run for being unfair.
Not an adequate analogy i'm afraid. Apart from highlighting the absolute nonsense of the section of these forums being called "hell" being the edgy place where you have to have a tough skin (i've been on forums that make "hell" look like a sunday afternoon stroll by the Thames) a better analogy would be man walks into a pub in a sleepy Oxfordshire town, the pub which is meant to be "dangerous" wearing a blue t-shirt, behaves like the other patrons (all wearing red t-shirts) and gets thrown out. (Temporarily).
Your determination to demonstrate that you, as a newcomer, understand the Ship better than people who have been here for years, and in some cases have been running the Ship for years, is not impressive.
Is this how you behave in the rest of your life? Do you walk into shops and after 5 minutes start explaining to the manager what is 'really going on'? Did you explain to your boss a couple of weeks into the job how to run the company? Or is it only a bunch of folk on the internet that you've never met in person that you think you understand completely so quickly?
From what I've seen, quite a few people have been trying pretty patiently and calmly to explain to you what's what, and you seem extraordinarily unwilling to entertain the possibility that the 'locals' in this supposed sleepy pub understand the place a heck of a lot more than the person who just arrived.
The sounds a bit like that "This is a local shop for local people thing". Forums tend not to be too difficult to understand. But my observation (and as such personal opinion) was more about the black ski run analogy. Personally I don't think the hell section resembles a "black run" at all.
Hold generally conservative views, got banned very quickly for expressing those views in a forthright and expressive way (although I did think it was in tune with the modus operandi of the thread).
A man says he doesn't like to start on the training slope and prefers to go straight to the black run. He comes a cropper on the black run. He blames the black run for being unfair.
Not an adequate analogy i'm afraid. Apart from highlighting the absolute nonsense of the section of these forums being called "hell" being the edgy place where you have to have a tough skin (i've been on forums that make "hell" look like a sunday afternoon stroll by the Thames) a better analogy would be man walks into a pub in a sleepy Oxfordshire town, the pub which is meant to be "dangerous" wearing a blue t-shirt, behaves like the other patrons (all wearing red t-shirts) and gets thrown out. (Temporarily).
Your determination to demonstrate that you, as a newcomer, understand the Ship better than people who have been here for years, and in some cases have been running the Ship for years, is not impressive.
Is this how you behave in the rest of your life? Do you walk into shops and after 5 minutes start explaining to the manager what is 'really going on'? Did you explain to your boss a couple of weeks into the job how to run the company? Or is it only a bunch of folk on the internet that you've never met in person that you think you understand completely so quickly?
From what I've seen, quite a few people have been trying pretty patiently and calmly to explain to you what's what, and you seem extraordinarily unwilling to entertain the possibility that the 'locals' in this supposed sleepy pub understand the place a heck of a lot more than the person who just arrived.
The sounds a bit like that "This is a local shop for local people thing". Forums tend not to be too difficult to understand. But my observation (and as such personal opinion) was more about the black ski run analogy. Personally I don't think the hell section resembles a "black run" at all.
So you're saying you crashed and burned even though it was just the nursery slope?
Hold generally conservative views, got banned very quickly for expressing those views in a forthright and expressive way (although I did think it was in tune with the modus operandi of the thread).
A man says he doesn't like to start on the training slope and prefers to go straight to the black run. He comes a cropper on the black run. He blames the black run for being unfair.
Not an adequate analogy i'm afraid. Apart from highlighting the absolute nonsense of the section of these forums being called "hell" being the edgy place where you have to have a tough skin (i've been on forums that make "hell" look like a sunday afternoon stroll by the Thames) a better analogy would be man walks into a pub in a sleepy Oxfordshire town, the pub which is meant to be "dangerous" wearing a blue t-shirt, behaves like the other patrons (all wearing red t-shirts) and gets thrown out. (Temporarily).
Your determination to demonstrate that you, as a newcomer, understand the Ship better than people who have been here for years, and in some cases have been running the Ship for years, is not impressive.
Is this how you behave in the rest of your life? Do you walk into shops and after 5 minutes start explaining to the manager what is 'really going on'? Did you explain to your boss a couple of weeks into the job how to run the company? Or is it only a bunch of folk on the internet that you've never met in person that you think you understand completely so quickly?
From what I've seen, quite a few people have been trying pretty patiently and calmly to explain to you what's what, and you seem extraordinarily unwilling to entertain the possibility that the 'locals' in this supposed sleepy pub understand the place a heck of a lot more than the person who just arrived.
The sounds a bit like that "This is a local shop for local people thing". Forums tend not to be too difficult to understand. But my observation (and as such personal opinion) was more about the black ski run analogy. Personally I don't think the hell section resembles a "black run" at all.
So you're saying you crashed and burned even though it was just the nursery slope?
I guess it depends on what you mean by crashed and burned. I experienced a combination of bemusement and partisan behaviour that I thought odd, but so be it.
Personally I don't think the hell section resembles a "black run" at all.
It was your phrase. You said you were posting in Hell because you were the kind of person who likes to go straight to the black run.
Fair enough, it's a while back now. However for clarity I wasn't concerned about the nature of the hell section. I find it mildly amusing that this particular section *appears* to have some sort of specialness attached to it when in reality is mostly the same people posting but just being ruder to each other and using the f-word.
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I read this at the time and thought it was probably bullshit - now I have some evidence to that effect: https://twitter.com/irishtimes/status/1279426169172000771?s=21
Indeed - there has long been talk of black Irish.
You don't need Armada shipwrecks to introduce Spanish men into Ireland, but that probably happened too. Shipwrecked sailors would have been taken in and helped wherever they came to grief (by definition, on the coast where the locals would have included a lot of sailors) and some of them would have settled down rather than return to their home.
Has that introduced a suitably nautical theme to end this tangent and get back to where the Ship is going?
The Ship is not a powered vessel; it drifts downstream on the tide of current ephemera. It's not going anywhere separate from where modern western society as a whole is going
Once it was anchored to something - the notion of civil debate. All views welcome provided you're prepared to defend them (courteously, of course).
But the current tide is tugging at that anchor. Not only in the deprecation of majority experience as "privileged". But, ISTM, also in an increasing acceptance among the left-leaning that it's OK to dismiss right-leaning views out of hand, without bothering to attempt to find the flaw in the argument. Alongside declining standards of civility.
Particularly egregious is the notion that one only has to liken a proposition to one expressed elsewhere (perhaps by a white supremacist, or on an "anti-trans" website) to dismiss it. This furthers nobody's understanding of the issue, and does nothing to indicate common ground. It's a refusal to debate.
You may of course, disagree...
I'd say overall that it is a predominately left wing / anti-conservative forum with a number of posters more keen to egotistically show off their (perceived) intellectual superiority in an arrogant and dismissive manner without really engaging with those who disagree other than to (ultimately) say bugger off you stupid oik. Not seen any real demonstration of Christian values or respect, tolerance, kindness or acceptance.
So where is it going? Round and round in descending circles to the floor of the sea i'd say.
Suspended (ducks and runs).
You're still here. I for one am actually glad about this.
Apologies, you're right, I got suspended. And thank you, to be fair, that's the only kind word I've received, so far! I should of course work on my own "people skills".
The Frank Wilhoit quote that @Crœsos is fond of springs to mind.
I am not familiar with that, if you would be kind enough to point me in the direction where I can find it or re-post it here it would be appreciated.
If it helps, I was pleased to see you post your enquiry about Orthodoxy in Purgatory. I expect you should get some interesting answers as there are a few folk about (though some are Western Orthodox, if memory serves).
Thank you. Although, so far no replies. A local Greek Orthodoxy community meets at a CoE church very near by and have invited me to one of their services post lockdown, they may point me in the direction of some good resources.
Generally 24 hours or so is about the time to leave a thread - remember that shipmates are all over the globe and keep many different schedules.
At least two of us, but the one at the computer next to me has many more irons in the internet fire right now and visits far less frequently than she once did.
I really miss Josephine, not only for her input on Orthodox matters, but for her kindness and common sense and for her ability to give clear explanations.
Not an adequate analogy i'm afraid. Apart from highlighting the absolute nonsense of the section of these forums being called "hell" being the edgy place where you have to have a tough skin (i've been on forums that make "hell" look like a sunday afternoon stroll by the Thames) a better analogy would be man walks into a pub in a sleepy Oxfordshire town, the pub which is meant to be "dangerous" wearing a blue t-shirt, behaves like the other patrons (all wearing red t-shirts) and gets thrown out. (Temporarily).
Where's "round here"?
I've generally found (although not always, and not on all occasions) that labelling someone a "troll" is usually done by people, against people whose political point of view they disagree with and that there is a (rather large) tendency to ignore, downplay or sometimes even defend the "behaviour" of people on your "team" whilst highlighting and deploring the "behaviour" of those who are not on your "team". But i'm not sure how much self reflection or genuine honesty there is on the matter, so of course you will say "rubbish".
Fixed broken quoting code. BroJames Purgatory Host
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There is the joy in this place.
We are a bunch of ratbags, all of us. We fall in , we fall out. We step away from the keyboard and count to ten. We return and mutter then decide not to post. Some of us go away for a fortnight and only return once the heat has dissipated. Some leap right into the fray and appear to disengage brain first. Others leap right into the fray with their intellect piercing the gloomy dross. Some leave upset, most return. Some never return.
And we who do return, we do when and because we Want to.
The ship is not a bad place to be. Hang around a bit and you may even surprise yourself
Where does labeling people egosists who don't demonstrate "respect, tolerance, kindness or acceptance." come in your hierarchy?
I'm not sure I have a hierarchy in terms of behaviour or indeed "labelling" on social media / forums etc. I think we are ALL capable of shoddy behaviour and can be quite tribal and partisan when it comes to judging it.
Blue and Green, the place where walking past a pub with the wrong colour can leave you dead.
Ah, fair enough. North of the border eh.
A troll is someone who chooses to enter an off-topic remark in order to still up a reaction. Usually, they are out for their own self-gratification and do not engage in discussions.
Liberals basically look forward, seeing new possibilities and options. Conservatives generally want to keep the status quo or even return to old tried and true ways.
I am thinking conservatives are finding it hard to defend the actions of politicians who are serving their own self-interests and have, therefore, withdrawn from the field.
Lately, both sides have become more entrenched in their perspectives; however, as this Heiniken Video illustrates, there can still be ways to bridge the gaps. I note the key to the bridging is empathy for the other.
We do need to be more welcoming to each other. We can engage in respectful debate. We can learn from each other.
If you lose the chip on your shoulder.
Heineken is beer for people who find Carlsberg a bit too heavy bodied.
Blue and Green, the place where walking past a pub with the wrong colour can leave you dead.
Parenthetically, I wear my Rangers scarf all winter. There is a Scottish vendor in our City Market who is the only one I know who recognizes it.
Your determination to demonstrate that you, as a newcomer, understand the Ship better than people who have been here for years, and in some cases have been running the Ship for years, is not impressive.
Is this how you behave in the rest of your life? Do you walk into shops and after 5 minutes start explaining to the manager what is 'really going on'? Did you explain to your boss a couple of weeks into the job how to run the company? Or is it only a bunch of folk on the internet that you've never met in person that you think you understand completely so quickly?
From what I've seen, quite a few people have been trying pretty patiently and calmly to explain to you what's what, and you seem extraordinarily unwilling to entertain the possibility that the 'locals' in this supposed sleepy pub understand the place a heck of a lot more than the person who just arrived.
Hold on a second. Politicians serving their own self-interest is "old tried and true ways". Conservatives should love that (and many do).
Being self-serving is a "past value". A present value too, but that's of less interest to conservatives according to you.
The sounds a bit like that "This is a local shop for local people thing". Forums tend not to be too difficult to understand. But my observation (and as such personal opinion) was more about the black ski run analogy. Personally I don't think the hell section resembles a "black run" at all.
So you're saying you crashed and burned even though it was just the nursery slope?
I guess it depends on what you mean by crashed and burned. I experienced a combination of bemusement and partisan behaviour that I thought odd, but so be it.
Fair enough, it's a while back now. However for clarity I wasn't concerned about the nature of the hell section. I find it mildly amusing that this particular section *appears* to have some sort of specialness attached to it when in reality is mostly the same people posting but just being ruder to each other and using the f-word.