Two part questionnaire for atheists

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  • godincarnatemegodincarnateme Shipmate
    edited November 18
    Fascinating. You equate "being myself" with "sounding off about my divinity all the time, everywhere." Even the real Jesus never did that.

    Lol, Yeah, I posted this around on different websites. This is one of the few last sites I’m gonna post on. I’m looking to get away from the Internet and get back to who I was pre-Internet. Only gonna be using the Internet for texting Family, ordering food/merch, streaming movies/series and paying bills. If I can quit smoking cigarettes, I can do this.

    (ETA fixed code, DT)
  • But basically, I don’t need to do anything so therefore I don’t really need to think about it.

    Yep, nothing is required.
  • godincarnatemegodincarnateme Shipmate
    edited November 18
    Fascinating. You equate "being myself" with "sounding off about my divinity all the time, everywhere." Even the real Jesus never did that.

    Actually, I’m looking forward to not talking about spirituality. All my life I never did until a few years ago when i started sharing my true nature online. I don’t really care for it.

    (ETA fixed quote code, DT)
  • @Lamb Chopped
    @Doublethink

    The last few comments were in response to you. I quoted what you said, but then it ended up quoting a bunch of other people, and I deleted them and you weren’t tagged in the post.
  • You know, you remind me rather of a fellow we had show up at a Bible study we were leading in a group home in my college days. Really nice guy, he came in a bit late and shook my hand and said, "I'm Jesus Christ."

    I asked if he wanted to join us and he sat down and we had a great discussion among us all.

    Though he did feel the need to tell me he wasn't REALLY Jesus at the end... Still, very nice fellow, I'd love to see him again.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited November 18
    Hang on. God is "material in His composition", but you are "His incarnation"?

    @stetson Incarnation means in human form.

    Fair enough, but I'm still wondering why I'm supposed to be impressed that a material being has morphed himself into another type of material being.
  • You know, you remind me rather of a fellow we had show up at a Bible study we were leading in a group home in my college days. Really nice guy, he came in a bit late and shook my hand and said, "I'm Jesus Christ."

    I asked if he wanted to join us and he sat down and we had a great discussion among us all.

    Though he did feel the need to tell me he wasn't REALLY Jesus at the end... Still, very nice fellow, I'd love to see him again.

    haha
  • godincarnatemegodincarnateme Shipmate
    edited November 18
    stetson wrote: »
    Hang on. God is "material in His composition", but you are "His incarnation"?

    @stetson Incarnation means in human form.

    Fair enough, but I'm still wondering why I'm supposed to be impressed that a material being has morphed himself into another type of material being.

    He is the space & my life is his time. It was the only way he could create time with a beginning and end.
  • @stetson oh & there was no morphing involved. lol

    I die. I appear. Easy, seamless transition.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?
  • godincarnatemegodincarnateme Shipmate
    edited November 18
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Also - what about the expansion of the universe? Why are you so sure that the Earth is the only planet that can sustain life?
  • godincarnatemegodincarnateme Shipmate
    edited November 18
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Also - what about the expansion of the universe? Why are you so sure that the Earth is the only planet that can sustain life?

    Not sure why you’re bringing this up, but since you are, yes, earth is the only planet in all existence that has life. I just know some things.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Also - what about the expansion of the universe? Why are you so sure that the Earth is the only planet that can sustain life?

    Not sure why you’re bringing this up, but since you are, yes, earth is the only planet in all existence that has life. I just know some things.

    But you brought up the "problem" for atheists of the life-cycle of the universe. The problem there is that the universe existing as part of a cycle is not actually an existential problem. The Big Bang is also not an atheist concept.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    @godincarnateme what do you make of scientists working in the field of astronomy who have found evidence of life elsewhere, eg here? What would it take to convince you that life elsewhere in the universe exists?
  • When did you become cognizant of your status? Surely you haven't been aware since the beginning of your existence?
  • NicoleMR wrote: »
    When did you become cognizant of your status? Surely you haven't been aware since the beginning of your existence?

    16 years ago when I was 34 years old
  • Pomona wrote: »
    @godincarnateme what do you make of scientists working in the field of astronomy who have found evidence of life elsewhere, eg here? What would it take to convince you that life elsewhere in the universe exists?

    Scientist have not found life elsewhere
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.

    All existence appeared in 1980.

    When all existence appeared in 1980, there were all kinds of people of all kinds of ages with all kinds of illnesses.
  • NicoleMR wrote: »
    When did you become cognizant of your status? Surely you haven't been aware since the beginning of your existence?

    You can read about the exact moment on my website on the page titled revelation
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.

    All existence appeared in 1980.

    When all existence appeared in 1980, there were all kinds of people of all kinds of ages with all kinds of illnesses.

    But how had their illnesses happened if the people had not existed before? How come we have physical evidence of things existing from before 1980?
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    @godincarnateme what do you make of scientists working in the field of astronomy who have found evidence of life elsewhere, eg here? What would it take to convince you that life elsewhere in the universe exists?

    Scientist have not found life elsewhere

    What do you think caused the gas on K2-18b?

    Why do you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept?
  • godincarnatemegodincarnateme Shipmate
    edited November 18
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.

    All existence appeared in 1980.

    When all existence appeared in 1980, there were all kinds of people of all kinds of ages with all kinds of illnesses.

    But how had their illnesses happened if the people had not existed before? How come we have physical evidence of things existing from before 1980?

    God’s creative like that. Like I said, God couldn’t come out and tell the world the truth who the incarnation of God was because some whack job would off me to try to save the world.

    I know your next question is then why am I telling people? Well I know people aren’t going to believe me, but maybe I’ll get them thinking differently. Maybe they’ll just think that there’s somebody on this planet who is the incarnation of God
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.

    All existence appeared in 1980.

    When all existence appeared in 1980, there were all kinds of people of all kinds of ages with all kinds of illnesses.

    But how had their illnesses happened if the people had not existed before? How come we have physical evidence of things existing from before 1980?

    God’s creative like that. Like I said, God couldn’t come out and tell the world the truth who the incarnation of God was because some whack job would off me to try to save the world.

    But why would God need to hide it when according to you, the world would just restart at 1980 again? From what you've said, it doesn't sound like your identity as the incarnation of God actually has any kind of redemptive act attached to it.
  • godincarnatemegodincarnateme Shipmate
    edited November 18
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.

    All existence appeared in 1980.

    When all existence appeared in 1980, there were all kinds of people of all kinds of ages with all kinds of illnesses.

    But how had their illnesses happened if the people had not existed before? How come we have physical evidence of things existing from before 1980?

    God’s creative like that. Like I said, God couldn’t come out and tell the world the truth who the incarnation of God was because some whack job would off me to try to save the world.

    But why would God need to hide it when according to you, the world would just restart at 1980 again? From what you've said, it doesn't sound like your identity as the incarnation of God actually has any kind of redemptive act attached to it.

    I’m here to live my life and enjoy it. Hopefully others want the same. Know what I mean jellybean?
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.

    All existence appeared in 1980.

    When all existence appeared in 1980, there were all kinds of people of all kinds of ages with all kinds of illnesses.

    But how had their illnesses happened if the people had not existed before? How come we have physical evidence of things existing from before 1980?

    God’s creative like that. Like I said, God couldn’t come out and tell the world the truth who the incarnation of God was because some whack job would off me to try to save the world.

    But why would God need to hide it when according to you, the world would just restart at 1980 again? From what you've said, it doesn't sound like your identity as the incarnation of God actually has any kind of redemptive act attached to it.

    I’m here to live my life and enjoy it. Hopefully others want the same.

    So then why would God bother to hide you? If your life has no theological consequences it doesn't seem like there was any actual point to making you God incarnate.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Also, if God is imperfect, what's the point of worshipping God? Or indeed, what's the point in having an incarnation of God?
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.

    All existence appeared in 1980.

    When all existence appeared in 1980, there were all kinds of people of all kinds of ages with all kinds of illnesses.

    But how had their illnesses happened if the people had not existed before? How come we have physical evidence of things existing from before 1980?

    God’s creative like that. Like I said, God couldn’t come out and tell the world the truth who the incarnation of God was because some whack job would off me to try to save the world.

    But why would God need to hide it when according to you, the world would just restart at 1980 again? From what you've said, it doesn't sound like your identity as the incarnation of God actually has any kind of redemptive act attached to it.

    I’m here to live my life and enjoy it. Hopefully others want the same.

    So then why would God bother to hide you? If your life has no theological consequences it doesn't seem like there was any actual point to making you God incarnate.

    Because some unhinged person that wanted to try to save the world would try to off me obviously. I don’t feel like getting killed moments after I appear on earth. Lol
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Also, if God is imperfect, what's the point of worshipping God? Or indeed, what's the point in having an incarnation of God?
    Read the poem Desederata
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Also, if God is imperfect, what's the point of worshipping God? Or indeed, what's the point in having an incarnation of God?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Also, if God is imperfect, what's the point of worshipping God? Or indeed, what's the point in having an incarnation of God?

    The incarnation of God serves as time. I provide a beginning and an end.
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Also, if God is imperfect, what's the point of worshipping God? Or indeed, what's the point in having an incarnation of God?

    Desiderata: Original Text
    This is the original text from the book where Desiderata was first published.

    Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

    Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.

    Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

    Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

    Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

    Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is as perennial as the grass.

    Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.

    Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

    Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.

    And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.

    by Max Ehrmann ©1927
  • godincarnatemegodincarnateme Shipmate
    edited November 18
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.

    All existence appeared in 1980.

    When all existence appeared in 1980, there were all kinds of people of all kinds of ages with all kinds of illnesses.

    But how had their illnesses happened if the people had not existed before? How come we have physical evidence of things existing from before 1980?

    God’s creative like that. Like I said, God couldn’t come out and tell the world the truth who the incarnation of God was because some whack job would off me to try to save the world.

    But why would God need to hide it when according to you, the world would just restart at 1980 again? From what you've said, it doesn't sound like your identity as the incarnation of God actually has any kind of redemptive act attached to it.

    I’m here to live my life and enjoy it. Hopefully others want the same.

    So then why would God bother to hide you? If your life has no theological consequences it doesn't seem like there was any actual point to making you God incarnate.

    Read the last paragraph of the desiderata
  • How do you account for people who were born, lived and died before 1980 for whom there are copious written and pictorial records? If a god somehow fabricated all those records, why?
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.

    All existence appeared in 1980.

    When all existence appeared in 1980, there were all kinds of people of all kinds of ages with all kinds of illnesses.

    But how had their illnesses happened if the people had not existed before? How come we have physical evidence of things existing from before 1980?

    God’s creative like that. Like I said, God couldn’t come out and tell the world the truth who the incarnation of God was because some whack job would off me to try to save the world.

    But why would God need to hide it when according to you, the world would just restart at 1980 again? From what you've said, it doesn't sound like your identity as the incarnation of God actually has any kind of redemptive act attached to it.

    I’m here to live my life and enjoy it. Hopefully others want the same.

    So then why would God bother to hide you? If your life has no theological consequences it doesn't seem like there was any actual point to making you God incarnate.

    Because some unhinged person that wanted to try to save the world would try to off me obviously. I don’t feel like getting killed moments after I appear on earth. Lol

    But that hasn't got anything to do with what God wants or needs, which is what I'm asking about. Aside from any of your feelings, why does God need to keep you alive? It doesn't seem to affect God if you die, going by your explanations here. God wouldn't actually lose anything if someone did kill you when you appeared.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.

    All existence appeared in 1980.

    When all existence appeared in 1980, there were all kinds of people of all kinds of ages with all kinds of illnesses.

    But how had their illnesses happened if the people had not existed before? How come we have physical evidence of things existing from before 1980?

    God’s creative like that. Like I said, God couldn’t come out and tell the world the truth who the incarnation of God was because some whack job would off me to try to save the world.

    But why would God need to hide it when according to you, the world would just restart at 1980 again? From what you've said, it doesn't sound like your identity as the incarnation of God actually has any kind of redemptive act attached to it.

    I’m here to live my life and enjoy it. Hopefully others want the same.

    So then why would God bother to hide you? If your life has no theological consequences it doesn't seem like there was any actual point to making you God incarnate.

    Read the last paragraph of the desiderata

    That doesn't give any actual material reason as to why God would need to be incarnate in your person.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Also, if God is imperfect, what's the point of worshipping God? Or indeed, what's the point in having an incarnation of God?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Also, if God is imperfect, what's the point of worshipping God? Or indeed, what's the point in having an incarnation of God?

    The incarnation of God serves as time. I provide a beginning and an end.

    Nothing about that tells me why an imperfect God deserves to be worshipped.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
  • If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited November 18
    Desiderata: Original Text

    . . .

    by Max Ehrmann ©1927
    How could it be copyright 1927 if nothing existed until 1980?

    And if nothing existed until 1980, then why is it 1980 instead of 0 or 1?


  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.

    All existence appeared in 1980.

    When all existence appeared in 1980, there were all kinds of people of all kinds of ages with all kinds of illnesses.

    But how had their illnesses happened if the people had not existed before? How come we have physical evidence of things existing from before 1980?

    God’s creative like that. Like I said, God couldn’t come out and tell the world the truth who the incarnation of God was because some whack job would off me to try to save the world.

    But why would God need to hide it when according to you, the world would just restart at 1980 again? From what you've said, it doesn't sound like your identity as the incarnation of God actually has any kind of redemptive act attached to it.

    I’m here to live my life and enjoy it. Hopefully others want the same.

    So then why would God bother to hide you? If your life has no theological consequences it doesn't seem like there was any actual point to making you God incarnate.

    Because some unhinged person that wanted to try to save the world would try to off me obviously. I don’t feel like getting killed moments after I appear on earth. Lol

    But that hasn't got anything to do with what God wants or needs, which is what I'm asking about. Aside from any of your feelings, why does God need to keep you alive? It doesn't seem to affect God if you die, going by your explanations here. God wouldn't actually lose anything if someone did kill you when you appeared.

    It appears God does want me to live and enjoy my life. He’s funny like that I guess.
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Also, if God is imperfect, what's the point of worshipping God? Or indeed, what's the point in having an incarnation of God?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Also, if God is imperfect, what's the point of worshipping God? Or indeed, what's the point in having an incarnation of God?

    The incarnation of God serves as time. I provide a beginning and an end.

    Nothing about that tells me why an imperfect God deserves to be worshipped.

    Don’t worry, you don’t have to
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.

    All existence appeared in 1980.

    When all existence appeared in 1980, there were all kinds of people of all kinds of ages with all kinds of illnesses.

    But how had their illnesses happened if the people had not existed before? How come we have physical evidence of things existing from before 1980?

    God’s creative like that. Like I said, God couldn’t come out and tell the world the truth who the incarnation of God was because some whack job would off me to try to save the world.

    But why would God need to hide it when according to you, the world would just restart at 1980 again? From what you've said, it doesn't sound like your identity as the incarnation of God actually has any kind of redemptive act attached to it.

    I’m here to live my life and enjoy it. Hopefully others want the same.

    So then why would God bother to hide you? If your life has no theological consequences it doesn't seem like there was any actual point to making you God incarnate.

    Read the last paragraph of the desiderata

    That doesn't give any actual material reason as to why God would need to be incarnate in your person.

    I’ve told you time.
  • Pomona wrote: »
    You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.

    Most atheist believe in it
  • If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?

    You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Desiderata: Original Text

    . . .

    by Max Ehrmann ©1927
    How could it be copyright 1927 if nothing existed until 1980?

    And if nothing existed until 1980, then why is it 1980 instead of 0 or 1?


    Lol. God‘s creative I guess.
  • How do you account for people who were born, lived and died before 1980 for whom there are copious written and pictorial records? If a god somehow fabricated all those records, why?

    God’s creative, I guess. As I’ve said, God couldn’t tell us the truth because some nut job that wanted to save the world would try to whack me. Lol
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.

    Most atheist believe in it

    But so do most Christians. Why specify that it's a non-theistic idea?
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