We should talk about literature

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  • peasepease Tech Admin
    It seems to me fairly self-evident that much of impact literature makes on a reader depends on the reader themself. More specifically, it appears to be the case that mental imagery plays a significant role in how literary narratives are received and remembered by readers. For people with reduced mental imagery, I suspect that much of the literature that relies heavily on it is, almost literally, rather less memorable.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    edited September 7
    I am maddeningly unable to recite the whole of the introduction to 80s Monkey. "The name of the egg was Thought. With our thoughts said the Buddha we make(?) the world. Aeons changed and passed(?) er hem er hem The nature of Monkey was irrepressible!!"

    I also came across Li Qingzhao earlier this year. I liked her but the way Chinese poetry is translated into twenty-first century English free verse I don't know that I could tell it from Du Fu except where he or she are clearly speaking as a man or woman. I don't know if that's my unfamiliarity with the conventions of Chinese poetry or the translations or so on?
  • peasepease Tech Admin
    edited 6:03AM
    I remember different fragments, but this is the whole intro:
    In the worlds before Monkey, primal chaos reigned. Heaven sought order, but the phoenix can fly only when its feathers are grown. The four worlds formed again and yet again, as endless aeons wheeled and passed. Time and the pure essences of Heaven, the moisture of the Earth, the powers of the Sun and the Moon all worked upon a certain rock old as creation, and it became magically fertile. That first egg was named Thought. Tathagata Buddha, the father Buddha said "With our thoughts, we make the world." Elemental forces caused the egg to hatch. From it then came a stone monkey... The nature of Monkey was irrepressible!
    Born from an egg on a mountaintop…
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    I can hear Bert Kwouk saying that!
  • peasepease Tech Admin
    edited 1:46PM
    Well…

    There was a fair amount of cultural appropriation going on. It was a Japanese production of the Chinese novel Journey to the West (as already mentioned) about a pilgrimage to India and enlightenment, dubbed with a variety of dodgy accents and broadcast in a number of countries around the world.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    I really enjoyed Li Qing Zhao's poetry (the little I've seen of it) and discussing it with a Chinese woman at church. I need to read more.
    What did you and the Chinese woman have to say about her? And what translation did you read? Mine was by Wendy Chen.
  • Lamb ChoppedLamb Chopped Shipmate
    In short I can't recall the translation. As for our conversation, it was mostly recommending various authors in our own traditions to each other, and being delighted to find some were already familiar to the other.
  • Dafyd wrote: »
    The lists I've seen of essential or top books compiled by Francophones all have Shakespeare at the number one spot.

    Above Molière? Sacrilege!

  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Purgatory Host, Circus Host
    Meh. Molière is high up Francophone lists, but I don't think many people put him at the top. I think that spot probably goes to Victor Hugo.
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