Not a good time for the Conservative government in the UK

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  • IMHO you're putting it rather mildly...anyway, he's on the Waste of Oxygen thread, for suggesting that the firefighters are objecting to the potential death trap prison ship for political reasons...
    :grimace:

    Who was his predecessor, anyway? It's hard to keep up.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Raab. The one who didn't know Dover was a port.
  • SighthoundSighthound Shipmate
    edited August 2023
    Might as well have Spotty Dog out of the Woodentops as PM for all the use these people are. At least he was entertaining.
  • Piglet wrote: »
    Raab. The one who didn't know Dover was a port.

    O yes. I'd forgotten about him...
    Sighthound wrote: »
    Might as well have Spotty Dog out of the Woodentops as PM for all the use these people are. At least he was entertaining.

    We've had a Big Dog as PM (the one who was followed by a Lettuce), but perhaps Mickey Mouse wants a holiday job?
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Piglet wrote: »
    Raab. The one who didn't know Dover was a port.

    O yes. I'd forgotten about him...
    That's quite understandable ...

    I'll be honest - Google was my friend. :mrgreen:
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Piglet wrote: »
    Raab. The one who didn't know Dover was a port.

    O yes. I'd forgotten about him...
    Sighthound wrote: »
    Might as well have Spotty Dog out of the Woodentops as PM for all the use these people are. At least he was entertaining.

    We've had a Big Dog as PM (the one who was followed by a Lettuce), but perhaps Mickey Mouse wants a holiday job?

    No Mickey actually has a brain
  • I will confess to not having checked this, but apparently Nadine Dorries has now spent longer "resigning with immediate effect" than Liz Truss spent as PM.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    To be fair she's probably doing a better job resigning with immediate effect than Truss did as Prime Minister.
  • I will confess to not having checked this, but apparently Nadine Dorries has now spent longer "resigning with immediate effect" than Liz Truss spent as PM.

    The comedy writes itself...
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Dafyd wrote: »
    To be fair she's probably doing a better job resigning with immediate effect than Truss did as Prime Minister.

    That wouldn't be hard.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    This headline from the Guardian. And I thought both that they already were and that was their big sales pitch.

  • Enoch wrote: »
    This headline from the Guardian. And I thought both that they already were and that was their big sales pitch.

    They mean by their supporters. They are known as far worse things by the people who have seen through their ruse.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    It's notable that the reason they're worried about being thought of as the nasty party isn't that they think being nasty is wrong, but because it might lose them votes. :rage:

    They really are beneath contempt.
  • A pithy and colourful comment from today's Guardian (Warning! It contains quotes from Thirty-Pee Lee, and hence uses bad language...):

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/13/this-dying-sweary-tory-government-wants-to-drag-us-down-with-it

  • SighthoundSighthound Shipmate
    edited August 2023
    I find these people utterly despicable.

    I disagreed with Margaret Thatcher's beliefs and policies, I thought she was totally wrong and mistaken in almost everything she did. However, I could at least feel respect for her. She was a formidable woman and by no means short of intellect. This lot are just (word I prefer not to use in polite company.)
  • You are in Hell, and therefore not in polite company...
    :naughty:

    But I agree - the current shower of spivs are certainly not worthy of respect, only opprobrium.
  • You are in Hell, and therefore not in polite company...
    :naughty:

    But I agree - the current shower of spivs are certainly not worthy of respect, only opprobrium.

    My inner courtesy stops me from using certain language, even in Hell. You all know the word I have in mind.
  • Your inner courtesy does you credit, great though the provocation to use extremely opprobrious epithets might be...
  • Sighthound wrote: »
    You are in Hell, and therefore not in polite company...
    :naughty:

    But I agree - the current shower of spivs are certainly not worthy of respect, only opprobrium.

    My inner courtesy stops me from using certain language, even in Hell. You all know the word I have in mind.

    Would this word be ... ahem .... 'Tory'?

    I'm reminded of the story about Sir Thomas Beecham. He was asked about a certain modern composer's compositions. 'I have never conducted it', he replied, 'but I trod in some on the way here'.
    'Why, this is Hell, nor are we out of it'. Faustus, in Marlowe's play.
  • StephenStephen Shipmate
    He-he! You realise of course that the word comes from an Irish word meaning outlaw or robber.......
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Stephen wrote: »
    He-he! You realise of course that the word comes from an Irish word meaning outlaw or robber.......

    Named for the island which was the home of the somewhat demonic Fomorians...
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited August 2023
    RockyRoger wrote: »
    Sighthound wrote: »
    You are in Hell, and therefore not in polite company...
    :naughty:

    But I agree - the current shower of spivs are certainly not worthy of respect, only opprobrium.

    My inner courtesy stops me from using certain language, even in Hell. You all know the word I have in mind.

    Would this word be ... ahem .... 'Tory'?

    I'm reminded of the story about Sir Thomas Beecham. He was asked about a certain modern composer's compositions. 'I have never conducted it', he replied, 'but I trod in some on the way here'.
    'Why, this is Hell, nor are we out of it'. Faustus, in Marlowe's play.
    RockyRoger wrote: »
    Sighthound wrote: »
    You are in Hell, and therefore not in polite company...
    :naughty:

    But I agree - the current shower of spivs are certainly not worthy of respect, only opprobrium.

    My inner courtesy stops me from using certain language, even in Hell. You all know the word I have in mind.

    Would this word be ... ahem .... 'Tory'?

    I'm reminded of the story about Sir Thomas Beecham. He was asked about a certain modern composer's compositions. 'I have never conducted it', he replied, 'but I trod in some on the way here'.
    'Why, this is Hell, nor are we out of it'. Faustus, in Marlowe's play.

    /Pedant alert/

    Doctor Faustus
    : How comes it, then, that thou art out of hell?
    Mephistopheles : Why, this is hell, nor am I out of it. Think'st thou that I, who saw the face of God, and tasted the eternal joys of heaven, am not tormented with ten thousand hells, in being deprived of everlasting bliss?

  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Your inner courtesy does you credit, great though the provocation to use extremely opprobrious epithets might be...

    @Bishops Finger did you used to host The Good Old Days? You have a way with complicated words.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Hugal wrote: »
    Your inner courtesy does you credit, great though the provocation to use extremely opprobrious epithets might be...

    @Bishops Finger did you used to host The Good Old Days? You have a way with complicated words.

    My bet was a previous career involving an internship under Sir Humphrey Appleby.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Hugal wrote: »
    Your inner courtesy does you credit, great though the provocation to use extremely opprobrious epithets might be...

    @Bishops Finger did you used to host The Good Old Days? You have a way with complicated words.

    My bet was a previous career involving an internship under Sir Humphrey Appleby.

    Either that or reading Raffles, the Gentleman Thug in Viz.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    The phrase ‘opprobrious epithets’ is one I vaguely associate with Kipling, possibly the Stalky stories, or maybe with something from Dorothy L Sayers’ Wimsey stories.
  • Jane RJane R Shipmate
    edited August 2023
    BroJames wrote: »
    The phrase ‘opprobrious epithets’ is one I vaguely associate with Kipling, possibly the Stalky stories, or maybe with something from Dorothy L Sayers’ Wimsey stories.

    Wimsey usually shifted into Ancient Greek when he was being really pretentious. Or French.
  • Sighthound wrote: »
    I find these people utterly despicable.

    I disagreed with Margaret Thatcher's beliefs and policies, I thought she was totally wrong and mistaken in almost everything she did. However, I could at least feel respect for her. She was a formidable woman and by no means short of intellect. This lot are just (word I prefer not to use in polite company.)

    I agree here. I think she was utterly wrong, but a good and strong leader, to be respected. Not liked, not approved of but respected.

    I was glad when the witch died too.

    Current Tory MPs? Utter cunts the lot of them. Not a single one who has the slightest degree of respectability. Thatcher would dump the lot of them.
  • You think so? She might have found them useful as shock troops
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Or, breakfast.
  • Unusually we bought a Sunday paper yesterday (The Observer). The paper, which of course has a "liberal intellectual left-wing" bias, seems to rather like Andy Street, the former head of John Lewis and now Mayor of the West Midlands. Indeed it calls him "the most senior Tory outside London". Critiquing suggestions by some Cabinet Ministers that Britain should leave the European Convention on human rights, he says, "“It’s my job as a moderate Conservative, who believes in inclusivity, believes in the whole notion of everyone in society succeeding together ..." to stand up against such an agenda.

    He is also strongly pro-green and is worried by Sunak appearing to dilute policies in order to gain quick votes: "This is a defining moral issue of our time. Are we going to be the party that guides this country through addressing climate change? It’s the right thing to do. ... The problem is, it’s been defined as a choice, but there isn’t a choice to stand still". Not only does he go on to say that "the thinking voter" will be swayed positively by due attention to the green agenda, but he feels it will be good for business. But what I thought was most instructive to note is his use of the word "moral": that seems all-too-rare in contemporary politics.
  • Hugal wrote: »
    Your inner courtesy does you credit, great though the provocation to use extremely opprobrious epithets might be...

    @Bishops Finger did you used to host The Good Old Days? You have a way with complicated words.

    I regret to inform you, O complimentary Shipmate, that I did not.

    The term *opprobrious epithets* can be found in many places - IIRC, I came upon it in a boys' story book (Teddy Lester's Chums by John Finnemore).

    As to Sir Humphrey Appleby, I think it is fair to say that he would agree with me (doubtless some of my fellow Shipmates might also concur) inasmuch that the present pandemoniac collection of so-called *Polly Titians*, seemingly in charge of this benighted and unfortunate country, is deserving of a modicum - nay, an abundance - of contumelious invective.
  • Unusually we bought a Sunday paper yesterday (The Observer). The paper, which of course has a "liberal intellectual left-wing" bias, seems to rather like Andy Street, the former head of John Lewis and now Mayor of the West Midlands. Indeed it calls him "the most senior Tory outside London". Critiquing suggestions by some Cabinet Ministers that Britain should leave the European Convention on human rights, he says, "“It’s my job as a moderate Conservative, who believes in inclusivity, believes in the whole notion of everyone in society succeeding together ..." to stand up against such an agenda.

    He is also strongly pro-green and is worried by Sunak appearing to dilute policies in order to gain quick votes: "This is a defining moral issue of our time. Are we going to be the party that guides this country through addressing climate change? It’s the right thing to do. ... The problem is, it’s been defined as a choice, but there isn’t a choice to stand still". Not only does he go on to say that "the thinking voter" will be swayed positively by due attention to the green agenda, but he feels it will be good for business. But what I thought was most instructive to note is his use of the word "moral": that seems all-too-rare in contemporary politics.

    I read that article, too.

    Whether or not Mr Street will be able to rally many other tories behind him, or at least sway them to his way of thinking, before the next election is open to question.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    The trouble with "decent" Tories* is that they might draw back the habitual Tory voters who have been sickened enough by the mendacious chaos of the last few years into thinking about voting for another party, and because The System™ is skewed in favour of the toerags Tories anyway, we'd end up with yet another five years of the b******s.

    * I know - that's something of an oxymoron
  • The so-called *decent* tories (and there may be a few left who have not bowed the knee to Baal) would do better to abandon the putrefying corpse of the tory party, and align themselves with one or other of the opposition parties.

    Your fear @Piglet is shared by many others, I guess...
  • Sojourner wrote: »
    You think so? She might have found them useful as shock troops

    Among her many qualities, she had no time for the sort of wishy-washy idiots we currently have. She might have used one or two as foils, but she wanted people with integrity.
  • The problem with our political system is that if you want a sniff of power (certainly at the national level) you need to be a member of one of the two great coalitions, that call themselves 'The Conservative Party' and the 'Labour Party.' Both organisations cover a 'wide range of views'.

    If you are in a minority position within them, whether 'decent Tory' or 'moderate socialist' your choice is to stick with them - and hope you can effect change over time - or walk away and perhaps join one of the powerless minor parties, where you can have fun passing motions and promoting petitions but will never have access to a ministerial car or (generally speaking) even a seat as an MP.

    As a system, it stinks and it breeds dishonesty like an ancient piece of bacon breeds maggots, but that's the reality we are stuck with. If I were a pragmatic politician seeking power I would certainly join one of the two Ugly Sisters and play the game.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    Current Tory MPs? Utter cunts the lot of them. Not a single one who has the slightest degree of respectability. Thatcher would dump the lot of them.
    They are however the result of the changes she brought to Conservatism. She may have had some kind of standards herself but she enabled the abandonment of those standards around her.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Dafyd wrote: »
    Current Tory MPs? Utter cunts the lot of them. Not a single one who has the slightest degree of respectability. Thatcher would dump the lot of them.
    They are however the result of the changes she brought to Conservatism. She may have had some kind of standards herself but she enabled the abandonment of those standards around her.

    Plus, if there had been something equivalent to the current migrant-crisis during her time in office, would she have responded any more humanely or competently than Sunak etc?
  • stetson wrote: »
    Dafyd wrote: »
    Current Tory MPs? Utter cunts the lot of them. Not a single one who has the slightest degree of respectability. Thatcher would dump the lot of them.
    They are however the result of the changes she brought to Conservatism. She may have had some kind of standards herself but she enabled the abandonment of those standards around her.

    Plus, if there had been something equivalent to the current migrant-crisis during her time in office, would she have responded any more humanely or competently than Sunak etc?

    An interesting question. I'm certainly no fan of the Iron Lady, but I suggest she could hardly be less humane and/or competent than Sushi Rinak and his cohorts.

    Unless she morphed into Trump, or Putin, or Pol Pot, or...well, you get the idea...
  • And Nadine Dorries, the absentee MP, has finally actually resigned, with a parting shot across the bows at Rishi Sunak. I imagine her constituents will be relieved, along with her colleagues in the HoC as I doubt the continuing fuss about her position was making them any more popular by association.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    edited August 2023
    JonahMan wrote: »
    And Nadine Dorries, the absentee MP, has finally actually resigned, with a parting shot across the bows at Rishi Sunak.
    I note that she jumped just after the Liberal Democrats announced their intention to get Parliament to push her.
  • StephenStephen Shipmate
    Is this what is known as a little by little resignation?
  • ArielAriel Shipmate
    I think it's known as a flounce.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    I'd have thought resigning because she didn't get a peerage was the very definition of a flounce!
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    IMHO you're putting it rather mildly...anyway, he's on the Waste of Oxygen thread, for suggesting that the firefighters are objecting to the potential death trap prison ship for political reasons...
    :grimace:
    His argument was reasonable because it was Fire Brigade Union that objected.

  • CameronCameron Shipmate
    edited August 2023
    This article in the Independent provides a handy summary of Ms Dorries' biggest gaffes.

    History will not judge her kindly, but she does leave a gap in political life... for the most gaffe-prone Tory. I wonder who gets the title now?

  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Cameron wrote: »
    This article in the Independent provides a handy summary of Ms Dorries' biggest gaffes.

    History will not judge her kindly, but she does leave a gap in political life... for the most gaffe-prone Tory. I wonder who gets the title now?

    Philip Davies is always a strong contender.
  • Telford wrote: »
    IMHO you're putting it rather mildly...anyway, he's on the Waste of Oxygen thread, for suggesting that the firefighters are objecting to the potential death trap prison ship for political reasons...
    :grimace:
    His argument was reasonable because it was Fire Brigade Union that objected.

    In its capacity of representing its workers professional interests.
  • CameronCameron Shipmate
    Cameron wrote: »
    This article in the Independent provides a handy summary of Ms Dorries' biggest gaffes.

    History will not judge her kindly, but she does leave a gap in political life... for the most gaffe-prone Tory. I wonder who gets the title now?

    Philip Davies is always a strong contender.

    Ah, yes - the gaffes are almost as bad as the things he does deliberately. Hopefully his majority of 6000 looks within range of overturning come the election...
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