That's a fair point, Alan - if Scotland were to become independent, would we condemn the rest of the UK to a perpetual Tory government?
No, except in so far as that's already the case (red or blue tory). Only in 2005 would Scottish seats being removed have given a different result, before that you have to go back to 1974.
That's a fair point, Alan - if Scotland were to become independent, would we condemn the rest of the UK to a perpetual Tory government?
If it’s what the country votes for then I’d hardly call it being “condemned”.
Since the current arrangement means that around 35% of the vote obtains a parliamentary majority, a change which tended to secure that result for one party over others could be regarded as “condemning” the majority of those voting to rule by that party.
If the Right still doesn't understand how democracy works, how is that the fault of the rest of us? For the benefit of those who need it spelling out, opposition is not anti-democratic, and being a democrat does not require anyone to welcome the result of any particular vote. The majority, in the unlikely event in which (in our system) it even wins the vote, can be stupid, venal and destructive, if persuaded to be so by venal and destructive people.
If I believe a policy is wrong unless evidence appears that changes my mind, I still believe it is wrong. Just because there is a majority vote for it doesn’t make it right. I don’t believe a Con government can ever be good for the country as a whole. Having lived through several now my opinion has not changed. I did not vote for them, I do not want them. Their leaders have lied and been incompetent. I have a vote which I use. Our system a not representative of the vote. It is however the one we have for good or often bad.
He's still talking about meeting 2050 net zero target, while doing everything possible to make it impossible including now building more roads where what's needed to meet net zero is a rapid reduction in car use (ie: investment in public transport and active travel to provide a real alternative to driving, coupled with measures like LEZs and 20mph limits) and investment in fully electric cars and charging infrastructure for when driving is necessary. Consistency in messaging isn't his strong point.
Ignoring the personal element, the post is true enough. I think we are heading for a death in these places. This government needs to go to prison for what they are doing
In all fairness, he's surrendered voluntarily, and it may well be that his appeal will be successful, but it amounts to yet more anxiety for Sushi Rinak...
I caught a glimpse of a headline (on the paper shelf in the Co-Op) - perhaps from the Daily Wail (!) - to the effect that the tories are covering up for an MP who is alleged to be a serial rapist. I've not seen this story elsewhere, or is it perhaps old news, IYSWIM?
I caught a glimpse of a headline (on the paper shelf in the Co-Op) - perhaps from the Daily Wail (!) - to the effect that the tories are covering up for an MP who is alleged to be a serial rapist. I've not seen this story elsewhere, or is it perhaps old news, IYSWIM?
it occurs to me that the thread title is the wrong way around. This is a terrible time to have tories in power because we need people in power who are interested in governing in the interests of the actual people, rather than manipulating the levers of power for their corporate paymasters. Tories have never, ever had any interest in governing. Or at least, it seems to take a war for them to notice that most of the population is not made up of lumps of meat.
I caught a glimpse of a headline (on the paper shelf in the Co-Op) - perhaps from the Daily Wail (!) - to the effect that the tories are covering up for an MP who is alleged to be a serial rapist. I've not seen this story elsewhere, or is it perhaps old news, IYSWIM?
it occurs to me that the thread title is the wrong way around. This is a terrible time to have tories in power because we need people in power who are interested in governing in the interests of the actual people, rather than manipulating the levers of power for their corporate paymasters. Tories have never, ever had any interest in governing. Or at least, it seems to take a war for them to notice that most of the population is not made up of lumps of meat.
At which point they see the population as canon fodder (at least, assuming it's a war they can profit from British troops being involved in ... usually selling bombs to slaughter children and destroy hospitals is good enough)
it occurs to me that the thread title is the wrong way around. This is a terrible time to have tories in power because we need people in power who are interested in governing in the interests of the actual people, rather than manipulating the levers of power for their corporate paymasters. Tories have never, ever had any interest in governing. Or at least, it seems to take a war for them to notice that most of the population is not made up of lumps of meat.
At which point they see the population as canon fodder (at least, assuming it's a war they can profit from British troops being involved in ... usually selling bombs to slaughter children and destroy hospitals is good enough)
Yes, and the gutter press just loves to witter on about *Our Boys*, and how well they're doing at slaughtering other people's Boys...
I see that Sushi Rinak and other gobshites ministers are scared stiff in case the Cenotaph is *desecrated* next Saturday by people protesting against the slaughter of children in other places.
I expect they're afraid they might lose yet more votes/support come Election time. Cynical, moi?
I caught a glimpse of a headline (on the paper shelf in the Co-Op) - perhaps from the Daily Wail (!) - to the effect that the tories are covering up for an MP who is alleged to be a serial rapist. I've not seen this story elsewhere, or is it perhaps old news, IYSWIM?
I see that Sushi Rinak and other gobshites ministers are scared stiff in case the Cenotaph is *desecrated* next Saturday by people protesting against the slaughter of children in other places.
On Saturday we'll remember the horrors of war, the mindless slaughter of young men in uniform (there wasn't as much slaughter of civilians in WWI - though, plenty of suffering with blockades preventing food reaching civilian populations). Remembering the horrors of war we stand in silence to recognise the deaths of countless millions in two world wars and other conflicts around the world since 1918. We also stand in silence to commit ourselves to the cause of peace, that never again will the world experience the inhumanity of war.
Those on Saturday who are not standing for peace around the world, for a ceasefire and a real effort at resolution of conflict without resort to arms, desecrate the memory of those who died in wars past.
I caught a glimpse of a headline (on the paper shelf in the Co-Op) - perhaps from the Daily Wail (!) - to the effect that the tories are covering up for an MP who is alleged to be a serial rapist. I've not seen this story elsewhere, or is it perhaps old news, IYSWIM?
I see that Sushi Rinak and other gobshites ministers are scared stiff in case the Cenotaph is *desecrated* next Saturday by people protesting against the slaughter of children in other places.
On Saturday we'll remember the horrors of war, the mindless slaughter of young men in uniform (there wasn't as much slaughter of civilians in WWI - though, plenty of suffering with blockades preventing food reaching civilian populations). Remembering the horrors of war we stand in silence to recognise the deaths of countless millions in two world wars and other conflicts around the world since 1918. We also stand in silence to commit ourselves to the cause of peace, that never again will the world experience the inhumanity of war.
Those on Saturday who are not standing for peace around the world, for a ceasefire and a real effort at resolution of conflict without resort to arms, desecrate the memory of those who died in wars past.
I caught a glimpse of a headline (on the paper shelf in the Co-Op) - perhaps from the Daily Wail (!) - to the effect that the tories are covering up for an MP who is alleged to be a serial rapist. I've not seen this story elsewhere, or is it perhaps old news, IYSWIM?
Now Braverman has gone further, not just saying that the Palestinian March is a hate march, but that the police favour left-wing groups. Even for a leadership bid this seems extreme, as the police are usually Tory favourites. Far right groups are presumably loving it. Sorry, no link.
Presumably "favouring left-wing groups" is a selective statement that ignores arresting republicans, campaigners for safe streets for women, breaking up climate protests, kettling up communist groups within larger marches etc ...
The other startling aspect of her article is that she compared Palestinian marches to sectarian marches in N. Ireland. This is quite weird because the marching season is primarily Protestant and Unionist. Republicans do have marches, but less frequently. She seems quite ignorant for a Home Secretary.
She is ignorant, as well as hateful, cruel, vindictive, a bag of shite, and probably the next leader of the tory party...
Some commentators reckon that she is trying to get sacked, so as to pursue her evil plans, and to hoover up the votes of the swivel-eyed loons...
If the pro-Palestine march on Saturday had been banned, but still went ahead regardless (perhaps informally, IYSWIM), where would she have put the tens of thousands of people arrested as a result? There's only the one prison ship AFAIK, and that's nearly full of *illegal* people already.
The thought of Cruella being defenestrated is appealing, but who would be foisted on us as Home Secretary in place of her? Sometimes, the Devil you know, and all that...
It also seems inflammatory, and practically gives the green light to right wing groups to make trouble. I notice on Twitter various of them calling on patriots to defend the Cenotaph, of course, nobody is threatening it.
Well, quite. The very idea of an anti-war protest going anywhere near the Cenotaph is abhorrent to all True-Blue Englishmen.
After all, The Cenotaph is The Most Holy Place in England, and should not be approached on The Most Holy Day in England by anyone who does not subscribe 100% to True British Values™ (whatever they may actually be - is there a list anywhere?).
The thought of Cruella being defenestrated is appealing, but who would be foisted on us as Home Secretary in place of her? Sometimes, the Devil you know, and all that...
I cannot for the life of me imagine a devil who would be worse - but having said that, I'd have thought that in the days of Jackboots Patel - and then entered stage left Cruella...
The thought of Cruella being defenestrated is appealing, but who would be foisted on us as Home Secretary in place of her? Sometimes, the Devil you know, and all that...
I cannot for the life of me imagine a devil who would be worse - but having said that, I'd have thought that in the days of Jackboots Patel - and then entered stage left Cruella...
Yes, I thought that, too. gods help us all, if gods there be...
It's hard to know whether the tendency to raise one's knee very high while marching and a reflexive need to hold one's arm palm down in front of you raised to a 45° angle are requirements for the job or some sort of malign influence of the office itself. It's hard to think of a single denizen whose name hasn't been a byword for authoritarianism, racism and wanton cruelty while in that office. I only remember back as far as Ken Clarke but nonetheless I don't think I've ever been able to look at the Home Sec and think "there's a decent, fair minded person primarily interested in freedom and justice".
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No, except in so far as that's already the case (red or blue tory). Only in 2005 would Scottish seats being removed have given a different result, before that you have to go back to 1974.
If it’s what the country votes for then I’d hardly call it being “condemned”.
But if the majority voted for the 'wrong parties' we would be condemned.
Sunak’s conference speech is like a bull standing in a china shop looking round and saying “what a mess, everything is broken, who did this?”
An insider's view of HM Government's newly re-opened Prison Ship Abel Magwitch Bibby Stockholm:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/29/this-is-a-prison-men-tell-of-distressing-conditions-on-bibby-stockholm
No doubt a swivel-eyed loon or wingnut will be along presently to deny that this is a prison, but I bet they wouldn't fancy a berth on board...
Maybe the Government will buy another barge to house the Afghan refugees they plan to make homeless just before Christmas:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/29/afghans-who-fled-taliban-to-uk-set-to-be-made-homeless-at-christmas
Dafyd Hell Host
Ignoring the personal element, the post is true enough. I think we are heading for a death in these places. This government needs to go to prison for what they are doing
Another tory MP in trouble:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/04/mp-bob-stewart-to-surrender-tory-whip-after-racial-abuse-conviction
In all fairness, he's surrendered voluntarily, and it may well be that his appeal will be successful, but it amounts to yet more anxiety for Sushi Rinak...
I caught a glimpse of a headline (on the paper shelf in the Co-Op) - perhaps from the Daily Wail (!) - to the effect that the tories are covering up for an MP who is alleged to be a serial rapist. I've not seen this story elsewhere, or is it perhaps old news, IYSWIM?
It was on Radio 4 at lunchtime too. BBC story here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67325120
Thanks for that. I must have caught a glimpse of the Wail on Sunday, upon which I (of course) hastily averted my gaze...
Yes, and the gutter press just loves to witter on about *Our Boys*, and how well they're doing at slaughtering other people's Boys...
I see that Sushi Rinak and other gobshites ministers are scared stiff in case the Cenotaph is *desecrated* next Saturday by people protesting against the slaughter of children in other places.
I expect they're afraid they might lose yet more votes/support come Election time. Cynical, moi?
Those on Saturday who are not standing for peace around the world, for a ceasefire and a real effort at resolution of conflict without resort to arms, desecrate the memory of those who died in wars past.
What are you on about? I said that I caught a glimpse of the headline whilst in my local Co-Op.
Indeed.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/nov/05/uk-poverty-levels-simply-not-acceptable-says-un-envoy-olivier-de-schutter
It's probably only being broken in a limited sense, though, so that's all right. Who gives a shit, anyway? Not those responsible...they never do.
Well yes, that would be entirely on brand for this government - objecting when the law doesn't just allow them to do whatever the fuck they want.
Some commentators reckon that she is trying to get sacked, so as to pursue her evil plans, and to hoover up the votes of the swivel-eyed loons...
If the pro-Palestine march on Saturday had been banned, but still went ahead regardless (perhaps informally, IYSWIM), where would she have put the tens of thousands of people arrested as a result? There's only the one prison ship AFAIK, and that's nearly full of *illegal* people already.
Even Wishi-Washi-Sushi-Rinak may have to do something:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/09/minister-dismisses-suella-braverman-accusation-met-police-bias
The thought of Cruella being defenestrated is appealing, but who would be foisted on us as Home Secretary in place of her? Sometimes, the Devil you know, and all that...
After all, The Cenotaph is The Most Holy Place in England, and should not be approached on The Most Holy Day in England by anyone who does not subscribe 100% to True British Values™ (whatever they may actually be - is there a list anywhere?).
I cannot for the life of me imagine a devil who would be worse - but having said that, I'd have thought that in the days of Jackboots Patel - and then entered stage left Cruella...
Yes, I thought that, too. gods help us all, if gods there be...
TBH, Jackboots Patel is the only recent Home Sec I can recall, though my memory (what's left of it) goes back rather further than yours.
He also has a better grasp of the law - all credit to him for standing up to Cruella's hateful meddling.