Not a good time for the Conservative government in the UK

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  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Telford wrote: »
    However, it's obvious to me that they appear to be scared to always enforce Public Order laws. I appreciate that they do not want to make a situation worse but I think they could do better.
    I'm not quite sure how public order laws would be relevant to the biggest problems of policing in London. Are young people carrying knives covered by these laws? Do these laws address real concerns women have about walking home at night? So they address the long recognised institutional bigotry (in all forms, racism, homophobia, misogyny ...) in the Met?
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited February 2024
    KarlLB wrote: »
    In what way could they do better?

    Meanwhile, the Evil Plotter (Mr Khan) is not impressed by Wishi-Washi Sun*k (but who is impressed?):

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/lee-anderson-is-pouring-fuel-on-fire-of-anti-muslim-hatred-says-sadiq-khan

    (BTW, I thought the Guardian was NOT behind a paywall. I apologise if I'm wrong).

    It isn't. It makes a point of it.

    Well, exactly, so I was rather puzzled to think that @Telford appeared to suppose I was inviting him to subscribe to the Guardian...I guess he didn't think it worthwhile to click on the link I provided.
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    In what way could they do better?

    Meanwhile, the Evil Plotter (Mr Khan) is not impressed by Wishi-Washi Sun*k (but who is impressed?):

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/lee-anderson-is-pouring-fuel-on-fire-of-anti-muslim-hatred-says-sadiq-khan

    (BTW, I thought the Guardian was NOT behind a paywall. I apologise if I'm wrong).

    It isn't. It makes a point of it.

    Well, exactly, so I was rather puzzled to think that @Telford appeared to suppose I was inviting him to subscribe to the Guardian...I guess he didn't think it worthwhile to click on the link I provided.
    I did read the link
    It was a joke
  • Telford wrote: »
    However, it's obvious to me that they appear to be scared to always enforce Public Order laws. I appreciate that they do not want to make a situation worse but I think they could do better.
    I'm not quite sure how public order laws would be relevant to the biggest problems of policing in London. Are young people carrying knives covered by these laws? Do these laws address real concerns women have about walking home at night? So they address the long recognised institutional bigotry (in all forms, racism, homophobia, misogyny ...) in the Met?
    Failure to enforce Public order laws is just one of the failings.
  • Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    In what way could they do better?

    Meanwhile, the Evil Plotter (Mr Khan) is not impressed by Wishi-Washi Sun*k (but who is impressed?):

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/lee-anderson-is-pouring-fuel-on-fire-of-anti-muslim-hatred-says-sadiq-khan

    (BTW, I thought the Guardian was NOT behind a paywall. I apologise if I'm wrong).

    It isn't. It makes a point of it.

    Well, exactly, so I was rather puzzled to think that @Telford appeared to suppose I was inviting him to subscribe to the Guardian...I guess he didn't think it worthwhile to click on the link I provided.
    I did read the link
    It was a joke

    Haha. Not.
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    However, it's obvious to me that they appear to be scared to always enforce Public Order laws. I appreciate that they do not want to make a situation worse but I think they could do better.
    I'm not quite sure how public order laws would be relevant to the biggest problems of policing in London. Are young people carrying knives covered by these laws? Do these laws address real concerns women have about walking home at night? So they address the long recognised institutional bigotry (in all forms, racism, homophobia, misogyny ...) in the Met?
    Failure to enforce Public order laws is just one of the failings.

    In what way are public order laws not being enforced?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited February 2024
    KarlLB wrote: »
    In what way could they do better?

    Meanwhile, the Evil Plotter (Mr Khan) is not impressed by Wishi-Washi Sun*k (but who is impressed?):

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/lee-anderson-is-pouring-fuel-on-fire-of-anti-muslim-hatred-says-sadiq-khan

    (BTW, I thought the Guardian was NOT behind a paywall. I apologise if I'm wrong).

    It isn't. It makes a point of it.

    I saw a headline on a news feed somewhere saying that the Guardian is going to a paywall, but I didn't read the article to get all the details.
  • stetson wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    In what way could they do better?

    Meanwhile, the Evil Plotter (Mr Khan) is not impressed by Wishi-Washi Sun*k (but who is impressed?):

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/lee-anderson-is-pouring-fuel-on-fire-of-anti-muslim-hatred-says-sadiq-khan

    (BTW, I thought the Guardian was NOT behind a paywall. I apologise if I'm wrong).

    It isn't. It makes a point of it.

    I saw a headline on a news feed somewhere saying that the Guardian is going to a paywall, but I didn't read the article to get all the details.

    This may explain things further:

    https://www.theguardian.com/help/insideguardian/2023/mar/22/an-update-on-reader-support-via-the-app#:~:text=We are committed to keeping,pay for trusted, independent news.
  • Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    In what way could they do better?

    Meanwhile, the Evil Plotter (Mr Khan) is not impressed by Wishi-Washi Sun*k (but who is impressed?):

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/lee-anderson-is-pouring-fuel-on-fire-of-anti-muslim-hatred-says-sadiq-khan

    (BTW, I thought the Guardian was NOT behind a paywall. I apologise if I'm wrong).

    It isn't. It makes a point of it.

    Well, exactly, so I was rather puzzled to think that @Telford appeared to suppose I was inviting him to subscribe to the Guardian...I guess he didn't think it worthwhile to click on the link I provided.
    I did read the link
    It was a joke

    Haha. Not.
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    However, it's obvious to me that they appear to be scared to always enforce Public Order laws. I appreciate that they do not want to make a situation worse but I think they could do better.
    I'm not quite sure how public order laws would be relevant to the biggest problems of policing in London. Are young people carrying knives covered by these laws? Do these laws address real concerns women have about walking home at night? So they address the long recognised institutional bigotry (in all forms, racism, homophobia, misogyny ...) in the Met?
    Failure to enforce Public order laws is just one of the failings.

    In what way are public order laws not being enforced?
    Ignoring offences, It's not a new thing and it's not just in London

  • Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    In what way could they do better?

    Meanwhile, the Evil Plotter (Mr Khan) is not impressed by Wishi-Washi Sun*k (but who is impressed?):

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/lee-anderson-is-pouring-fuel-on-fire-of-anti-muslim-hatred-says-sadiq-khan

    (BTW, I thought the Guardian was NOT behind a paywall. I apologise if I'm wrong).

    It isn't. It makes a point of it.

    Well, exactly, so I was rather puzzled to think that @Telford appeared to suppose I was inviting him to subscribe to the Guardian...I guess he didn't think it worthwhile to click on the link I provided.
    I did read the link
    It was a joke

    Haha. Not.
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    However, it's obvious to me that they appear to be scared to always enforce Public Order laws. I appreciate that they do not want to make a situation worse but I think they could do better.
    I'm not quite sure how public order laws would be relevant to the biggest problems of policing in London. Are young people carrying knives covered by these laws? Do these laws address real concerns women have about walking home at night? So they address the long recognised institutional bigotry (in all forms, racism, homophobia, misogyny ...) in the Met?
    Failure to enforce Public order laws is just one of the failings.

    In what way are public order laws not being enforced?
    Ignoring offences, It's not a new thing and it's not just in London

    Can you provide some concrete evidence of this, rather than simply asserting it?
  • Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    In what way could they do better?

    Meanwhile, the Evil Plotter (Mr Khan) is not impressed by Wishi-Washi Sun*k (but who is impressed?):

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/lee-anderson-is-pouring-fuel-on-fire-of-anti-muslim-hatred-says-sadiq-khan

    (BTW, I thought the Guardian was NOT behind a paywall. I apologise if I'm wrong).

    It isn't. It makes a point of it.

    Well, exactly, so I was rather puzzled to think that @Telford appeared to suppose I was inviting him to subscribe to the Guardian...I guess he didn't think it worthwhile to click on the link I provided.
    I did read the link
    It was a joke

    Haha. Not.
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    However, it's obvious to me that they appear to be scared to always enforce Public Order laws. I appreciate that they do not want to make a situation worse but I think they could do better.
    I'm not quite sure how public order laws would be relevant to the biggest problems of policing in London. Are young people carrying knives covered by these laws? Do these laws address real concerns women have about walking home at night? So they address the long recognised institutional bigotry (in all forms, racism, homophobia, misogyny ...) in the Met?
    Failure to enforce Public order laws is just one of the failings.

    In what way are public order laws not being enforced?
    Ignoring offences, It's not a new thing and it's not just in London

    Can you provide some concrete evidence of this, rather than simply asserting it?
    Unfortunately, seeing things on the tv would not count as eye witness evidence.
  • Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    In what way could they do better?

    Meanwhile, the Evil Plotter (Mr Khan) is not impressed by Wishi-Washi Sun*k (but who is impressed?):

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/lee-anderson-is-pouring-fuel-on-fire-of-anti-muslim-hatred-says-sadiq-khan

    (BTW, I thought the Guardian was NOT behind a paywall. I apologise if I'm wrong).

    It isn't. It makes a point of it.

    Well, exactly, so I was rather puzzled to think that @Telford appeared to suppose I was inviting him to subscribe to the Guardian...I guess he didn't think it worthwhile to click on the link I provided.
    I did read the link
    It was a joke

    Haha. Not.
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    However, it's obvious to me that they appear to be scared to always enforce Public Order laws. I appreciate that they do not want to make a situation worse but I think they could do better.
    I'm not quite sure how public order laws would be relevant to the biggest problems of policing in London. Are young people carrying knives covered by these laws? Do these laws address real concerns women have about walking home at night? So they address the long recognised institutional bigotry (in all forms, racism, homophobia, misogyny ...) in the Met?
    Failure to enforce Public order laws is just one of the failings.

    In what way are public order laws not being enforced?
    Ignoring offences, It's not a new thing and it's not just in London

    Can you provide some concrete evidence of this, rather than simply asserting it?
    Unfortunately, seeing things on the tv would not count as eye witness evidence.
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    In what way could they do better?

    Meanwhile, the Evil Plotter (Mr Khan) is not impressed by Wishi-Washi Sun*k (but who is impressed?):

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/lee-anderson-is-pouring-fuel-on-fire-of-anti-muslim-hatred-says-sadiq-khan

    (BTW, I thought the Guardian was NOT behind a paywall. I apologise if I'm wrong).

    It isn't. It makes a point of it.

    Well, exactly, so I was rather puzzled to think that @Telford appeared to suppose I was inviting him to subscribe to the Guardian...I guess he didn't think it worthwhile to click on the link I provided.
    I did read the link
    It was a joke

    Haha. Not.
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    However, it's obvious to me that they appear to be scared to always enforce Public Order laws. I appreciate that they do not want to make a situation worse but I think they could do better.
    I'm not quite sure how public order laws would be relevant to the biggest problems of policing in London. Are young people carrying knives covered by these laws? Do these laws address real concerns women have about walking home at night? So they address the long recognised institutional bigotry (in all forms, racism, homophobia, misogyny ...) in the Met?
    Failure to enforce Public order laws is just one of the failings.

    In what way are public order laws not being enforced?
    Ignoring offences, It's not a new thing and it's not just in London

    Can you provide some concrete evidence of this, rather than simply asserting it?
    Unfortunately, seeing things on the tv would not count as eye witness evidence.

    Some written evidence (e.g. a link to a published news report) would do. I'm not asking you for eye-witness evidence!

    Incidentally, this may not all be entirely tangential, as a problem for the tory government (should they wish to acknowledge it) is that members of their party - The Mad Lettuce, and Thirty-Pee Lee - are also making unproven assertions regarding *deep state conspiracy* and *Islamic plots*.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    The suggestion from certain (very unreliable) quarters is that people gathering the listen to speeches and march calling for an end to the killing of innocent people are breaking public order laws. Despite the facts that they're not damaging property, that they abide with police instructions about routes (eg: to avoid marching past Jewish schools), and everything else to remain on the right side of laws recently passed to limit democratic participation.

    Though, there were public order offences back in November when various far-right thugs violently "defended" war memorials from non-existent groups calling for peace in Gaza at those locations. I would welcome more prosecutions of them.
  • Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    In what way could they do better?

    Meanwhile, the Evil Plotter (Mr Khan) is not impressed by Wishi-Washi Sun*k (but who is impressed?):

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/lee-anderson-is-pouring-fuel-on-fire-of-anti-muslim-hatred-says-sadiq-khan

    (BTW, I thought the Guardian was NOT behind a paywall. I apologise if I'm wrong).

    It isn't. It makes a point of it.

    Well, exactly, so I was rather puzzled to think that @Telford appeared to suppose I was inviting him to subscribe to the Guardian...I guess he didn't think it worthwhile to click on the link I provided.
    I did read the link
    It was a joke

    Haha. Not.
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    However, it's obvious to me that they appear to be scared to always enforce Public Order laws. I appreciate that they do not want to make a situation worse but I think they could do better.
    I'm not quite sure how public order laws would be relevant to the biggest problems of policing in London. Are young people carrying knives covered by these laws? Do these laws address real concerns women have about walking home at night? So they address the long recognised institutional bigotry (in all forms, racism, homophobia, misogyny ...) in the Met?
    Failure to enforce Public order laws is just one of the failings.

    In what way are public order laws not being enforced?
    Ignoring offences, It's not a new thing and it's not just in London

    Can you provide some concrete evidence of this, rather than simply asserting it?
    Unfortunately, seeing things on the tv would not count as eye witness evidence.
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    In what way could they do better?

    Meanwhile, the Evil Plotter (Mr Khan) is not impressed by Wishi-Washi Sun*k (but who is impressed?):

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/lee-anderson-is-pouring-fuel-on-fire-of-anti-muslim-hatred-says-sadiq-khan

    (BTW, I thought the Guardian was NOT behind a paywall. I apologise if I'm wrong).

    It isn't. It makes a point of it.

    Well, exactly, so I was rather puzzled to think that @Telford appeared to suppose I was inviting him to subscribe to the Guardian...I guess he didn't think it worthwhile to click on the link I provided.
    I did read the link
    It was a joke

    Haha. Not.
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    However, it's obvious to me that they appear to be scared to always enforce Public Order laws. I appreciate that they do not want to make a situation worse but I think they could do better.
    I'm not quite sure how public order laws would be relevant to the biggest problems of policing in London. Are young people carrying knives covered by these laws? Do these laws address real concerns women have about walking home at night? So they address the long recognised institutional bigotry (in all forms, racism, homophobia, misogyny ...) in the Met?
    Failure to enforce Public order laws is just one of the failings.

    In what way are public order laws not being enforced?
    Ignoring offences, It's not a new thing and it's not just in London

    Can you provide some concrete evidence of this, rather than simply asserting it?
    Unfortunately, seeing things on the tv would not count as eye witness evidence.

    Some written evidence (e.g. a link to a published news report) would do. I'm not asking you for eye-witness evidence!

    Incidentally, this may not all be entirely tangential, as a problem for the tory government (should they wish to acknowledge it) is that members of their party - The Mad Lettuce, and Thirty-Pee Lee - are also making unproven assertions regarding *deep state conspiracy* and *Islamic plots*.

    I don't support the assertions.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited February 2024
    The suggestion from certain (very unreliable) quarters is that people gathering the listen to speeches and march calling for an end to the killing of innocent people are breaking public order laws. Despite the facts that they're not damaging property, that they abide with police instructions about routes (eg: to avoid marching past Jewish schools), and everything else to remain on the right side of laws recently passed to limit democratic participation.

    Though, there were public order offences back in November when various far-right thugs violently "defended" war memorials from non-existent groups calling for peace in Gaza at those locations. I would welcome more prosecutions of them.

    This.
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    In what way could they do better?

    Meanwhile, the Evil Plotter (Mr Khan) is not impressed by Wishi-Washi Sun*k (but who is impressed?):

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/lee-anderson-is-pouring-fuel-on-fire-of-anti-muslim-hatred-says-sadiq-khan

    (BTW, I thought the Guardian was NOT behind a paywall. I apologise if I'm wrong).

    It isn't. It makes a point of it.

    Well, exactly, so I was rather puzzled to think that @Telford appeared to suppose I was inviting him to subscribe to the Guardian...I guess he didn't think it worthwhile to click on the link I provided.
    I did read the link
    It was a joke

    Haha. Not.
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    However, it's obvious to me that they appear to be scared to always enforce Public Order laws. I appreciate that they do not want to make a situation worse but I think they could do better.
    I'm not quite sure how public order laws would be relevant to the biggest problems of policing in London. Are young people carrying knives covered by these laws? Do these laws address real concerns women have about walking home at night? So they address the long recognised institutional bigotry (in all forms, racism, homophobia, misogyny ...) in the Met?
    Failure to enforce Public order laws is just one of the failings.

    In what way are public order laws not being enforced?
    Ignoring offences, It's not a new thing and it's not just in London

    Can you provide some concrete evidence of this, rather than simply asserting it?
    Unfortunately, seeing things on the tv would not count as eye witness evidence.
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    In what way could they do better?

    Meanwhile, the Evil Plotter (Mr Khan) is not impressed by Wishi-Washi Sun*k (but who is impressed?):

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/lee-anderson-is-pouring-fuel-on-fire-of-anti-muslim-hatred-says-sadiq-khan

    (BTW, I thought the Guardian was NOT behind a paywall. I apologise if I'm wrong).

    It isn't. It makes a point of it.

    Well, exactly, so I was rather puzzled to think that @Telford appeared to suppose I was inviting him to subscribe to the Guardian...I guess he didn't think it worthwhile to click on the link I provided.
    I did read the link
    It was a joke

    Haha. Not.
    Telford wrote: »
    Telford wrote: »
    However, it's obvious to me that they appear to be scared to always enforce Public Order laws. I appreciate that they do not want to make a situation worse but I think they could do better.
    I'm not quite sure how public order laws would be relevant to the biggest problems of policing in London. Are young people carrying knives covered by these laws? Do these laws address real concerns women have about walking home at night? So they address the long recognised institutional bigotry (in all forms, racism, homophobia, misogyny ...) in the Met?
    Failure to enforce Public order laws is just one of the failings.

    In what way are public order laws not being enforced?
    Ignoring offences, It's not a new thing and it's not just in London

    Can you provide some concrete evidence of this, rather than simply asserting it?
    Unfortunately, seeing things on the tv would not count as eye witness evidence.

    Some written evidence (e.g. a link to a published news report) would do. I'm not asking you for eye-witness evidence!

    Incidentally, this may not all be entirely tangential, as a problem for the tory government (should they wish to acknowledge it) is that members of their party - The Mad Lettuce, and Thirty-Pee Lee - are also making unproven assertions regarding *deep state conspiracy* and *Islamic plots*.

    I don't support the assertions.

    I'm pleased to hear it, but my point was that unproven assertions need to be backed up, and you appear to be unwilling or unable to back up your assertions.

    Thirty-Pee Lee may yet be kicked out of the tory party, which will be no loss, but I doubt if they have the courage to spit out The Mad Lettuce. I can't back that up, I admit, but they don't have all that good a track record of being brave about swivel-eyed loons...
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    According to a Torygraph headline* from my Google news feed this evening, 30p is being "wooed" by Fartage - if ever there was a match from Hell surely that must be it. 😳

    * I don't click on Torygraph, Daily Fail or Daily Excess links as a matter of principle
  • Piglet wrote: »
    According to a Torygraph headline* from my Google news feed this evening, 30p is being "wooed" by Fartage - if ever there was a match from Hell surely that must be it. 😳

    * I don't click on Torygraph, Daily Fail or Daily Excess links as a matter of principle

    There's a sort of ghastly inevitability about that, I'm afraid, and I suspect Thirty-Pee will be followed into the arms of *Reform* in due course by The Mad Lettuce and Cruella Braverman.

    Which might result in a sort of rats-in-a-sack leadership fight...
  • The Conservatives would be foolish to force Lee out
  • Maybe so, but relieving him of the whip is the least they could do, given the sheer egregiousness of his racism.

    Ah well. His fate may be decided now, or possibly not until the General Election.
  • Telford wrote: »
    The Conservatives would be foolish to force Lee out

    If they don't they demonstrate that they are, for all they've said to the contrary, entirely happy to be a place where racists can find a political home.

    We already knew that, mind, given that 30p was chucked out of Labour for racism.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Telford wrote: »
    The Conservatives would be foolish to force Lee out

    Why? Everyone who can be put off voting tory already has been, and 30p Lee will make it harder for any future leader to recover those votes lost to Starmer.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    From their point of view, he’s ideologically unreliable and a loose cannon in terms of parliamentary discipline. It doesn’t seem to me that there is a huge amount of advantage to holding onto him. As an independent he’ll mostly vote with them anyway, and they can choose someone else at the general election.
  • The Tories are lurching to the right, see Braverman and Truss as well as Anderson. I suppose imminent defeat has this effect, but it's also scary, going into Trump territory.
  • The Tories are lurching to the right, see Braverman and Truss as well as Anderson. I suppose imminent defeat has this effect, but it's also scary, going into Trump territory.

    Quite, see the Truss video I posted above, and Anderson wasn't suspended for being 'critical of the Mayor of London' as the BBC was reporting this morning, but for being openly racist and Islamophobic, but in that he was merely defending comments that Braverman had already made in the Telegraph.
  • I feel that any tendency to equate Muslims with Islamists is extremely dangerous. It is also nonsense. Proper Islamists would hate many of Khan's policies.

    Some people will not be happy until they have set off inter-communal violence. Not satisfied with getting rid of Polish plumbers, they now want hatred between Muslims and non-Muslims. What a disgusting shower of excrement some modern politicians are!

    I remember when responsible, mainstream politicians went out of their way to cool down racial tensions instead of inflaming them. But now it's anything to gain the bigot vote.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    KarlLB wrote: »
    They're cynically using Islamophobia and the crisis in Gaza to win the London Mayoral election. And of course setting some Labour=Islamicist=Antisemitic groundwork.

    And a previous PM is over in the US claiming that a 'Radical Islamic Party' may win in Rochdale:

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1761069708759929223
    And, we all wish this wasn't satire
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    They're cynically using Islamophobia and the crisis in Gaza to win the London Mayoral election. And of course setting some Labour=Islamicist=Antisemitic groundwork.

    And a previous PM is over in the US claiming that a 'Radical Islamic Party' may win in Rochdale:

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1761069708759929223
    And, we all wish this wasn't satire

    :lol:

    Thanks @Alan Cresswell for providing us with a wry laugh...

    Why hasn't Thirty-Pee been arrested for inciting racial hatred?

  • Why hasn't Thirty-Pee been arrested for inciting racial hatred?

    Because it's the 'right kind' of racial hatred?

  • Sighthound wrote: »

    Why hasn't Thirty-Pee been arrested for inciting racial hatred?

    Because it's the 'right kind' of racial hatred?

    O, of course. Silly me.
    :disappointed:
  • Sighthound wrote: »
    I remember when responsible, mainstream politicians went out of their way to cool down racial tensions instead of inflaming them. But now it's anything to gain the bigot vote.

    The Tories need the Bigot Vote. It is pretty much all that is left to them.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    KarlLB wrote: »
    They're cynically using Islamophobia and the crisis in Gaza to win the London Mayoral election. And of course setting some Labour=Islamicist=Antisemitic groundwork.

    And a previous PM is over in the US claiming that a 'Radical Islamic Party' may win in Rochdale:

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1761069708759929223
    And, we all wish this wasn't satire

    :lol:

    Thanks @Alan Cresswell for providing us with a wry laugh...

    Why hasn't Thirty-Pee been arrested for inciting racial hatred?

    Why hadn’t Badenoch been arrested for hacking another MP’s account?
  • We live in a world where all too many politicians are 'Becontree'.

    That is to say, two stops beyond Barking.
  • Hugal wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    They're cynically using Islamophobia and the crisis in Gaza to win the London Mayoral election. And of course setting some Labour=Islamicist=Antisemitic groundwork.

    And a previous PM is over in the US claiming that a 'Radical Islamic Party' may win in Rochdale:

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1761069708759929223
    And, we all wish this wasn't satire

    :lol:

    Thanks @Alan Cresswell for providing us with a wry laugh...

    Why hasn't Thirty-Pee been arrested for inciting racial hatred?

    Why hadn’t Badenoch been arrested for hacking another MP’s account?

    O - the whole toxic boiling of them should be in Jail.

    In Rwanda.
    Sighthound wrote: »
    We live in a world where all too many politicians are 'Becontree'.

    That is to say, two stops beyond Barking.

    :grimace:

    All too true, alas.
  • But Rishi has said there is no Islamophobia in the Tory Party. Hurrah!
  • They must have passed a Law, but without anyone noticing.
    :unamused:
  • 30p has doubled down. He's done the "vast majority of Muslims are fine" thing, but that only makes his rant against Khan worse because it's specifically associating him with the extreme Islamicist minority he claims he's talking about.

  • The Tories have form with Khan. Every mayoral election sees suggestions that he associates with Islamists. Evidence? Zero. Anderson seems to be saying that because Khan doesn't ban pro Palestine demos, therefore he's a militant. Argument? Zero.
  • Well, quite.

    Since when did logic and/or evidence and/or truth have anything to do with Thirty-Pee's *thinking*?

    Still, I expect he's got a lot of Muslim friends...
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited February 2024
    Sighthound wrote: »

    Why hasn't Thirty-Pee been arrested for inciting racial hatred?

    Because it's the 'right kind' of racial hatred?

    Basically, yes. Hate-speech laws, in my experience, just tend to go after the low-hanging fruit, the obviously obnoxious opinions that never had much following to begin with. I could give examples from Canada.
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    30p has doubled down. He's done the "vast majority of Muslims are fine" thing, but that only makes his rant against Khan worse because it's specifically associating him with the extreme Islamicist minority he claims he's talking about.

    This doesn't sound much like doubling down:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/26/lee-anderson-stands-by-attack-on-sadiq-khan-and-launches-fresh-broadside

    Why apologise, when you're right?

    Time this hateful racist scumbag was thrown into Outer Darkness.
  • I'm using this definition which seems apt:
    1.
    strengthen one's commitment to a particular strategy or course of action, typically one that is potentially risky.
    "he decided to double down and escalate the war"
  • I guess the Tories are trying to frighten people, by suggesting that London is full of rioting Islamists, and you'd better vote Tory to stop it. Never mind the NHS, child poverty, cost of living, etc., scary Muslims are out there!
  • I think Londoners are well aware that their streets are not full of rioting 'Islamists' - 30p and Co. have their eye on the voters elsewhere.

    🤬
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    I'm using this definition which seems apt:
    1.
    strengthen one's commitment to a particular strategy or course of action, typically one that is potentially risky.
    "he decided to double down and escalate the war"

    O I see - sorry, I misunderstood you... my bad...
    Jane R wrote: »
    I think Londoners are well aware that their streets are not full of rioting 'Islamists' - 30p and Co. have their eye on the voters elsewhere.

    🤬

    Well, quite, and yet Thirty-Pee reckons he speaks for the *silent majority* of people in this benighted country, arrogant fuckwit that he is.

    He may well speak for Sid & Doris Bonkers, and the others who waste their time and brain cells on GBeebies, but not for the majority, I suspect.

    Time for Thirty-Pee, The Mad Lettuce, and Cruella to go off and form the Monster Racist Scumbag Party (which would probably get a few votes, alas...).

    Poor old Wishi-Washi Sun*k...what a shitshower he's enjoying...
  • Yes, Sunak is hilarious, twisting this way and that, honest, we're not really Muslim-bashers, its just that there's a bloody election coming up, what can you do.
  • Well, it would be funny if it wasn't so bloody depressing...to think that this kind of shite is peddled by the effing government...
    :rage: :scream:
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    KarlLB wrote: »
    30p has doubled down. He's done the "vast majority of Muslims are fine" thing, but that only makes his rant against Khan worse because it's specifically associating him with the extreme Islamicist minority he claims he's talking about.

    This doesn't sound much like doubling down:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/26/lee-anderson-stands-by-attack-on-sadiq-khan-and-launches-fresh-broadside

    Why apologise, when you're right?

    Time this hateful racist scumbag was thrown into Outer Darkness.
    Also displaying the usual "make shit up" approach.
    In a fresh attack on Khan, the now-independent MP said: “Hundreds of people had been arrested for racist abuse on these marches and we barely hear a peep from the mayor."
    That would be 153 people arrested as of the end of December, with 117 released without charge. With marches that sometimes have reached close to a million people. That's with the police having, and using, draconian measures to crack down on democracy.
  • Jane R wrote: »
    I think Londoners are well aware that their streets are not full of rioting 'Islamists' - 30p and Co. have their eye on the voters elsewhere.

    🤬

    Quite. 30p's constituency is 96% white. It's whipping up hatred of terrible people over there.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited February 2024
    In a fresh attack on Khan, the now-independent MP said: “Hundreds of people had been arrested for racist abuse on these marches and we barely hear a peep from the mayor."
    That would be 153 people arrested as of the end of December, with 117 released without charge. With marches that sometimes have reached close to a million people. That's with the police having, and using, draconian measures to crack down on democracy.

    Not to mention that 153 does not qualify as "hundreds".
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited February 2024
    Since when did accuracy matter to racist scumbag Thirty-Pee? No doubt he would like all the millions of marchers to be arrested and imprisoned (or deported).

    The man is surely deranged...
  • The Tories have form with Khan. Every mayoral election sees suggestions that he associates with Islamists. Evidence? Zero. Anderson seems to be saying that because Khan doesn't ban pro Palestine demos, therefore he's a militant. Argument? Zero.

    The thing is; if you wanted a ur example of Muslim Briton who has done their best to assimilate culturally you'd be hard pressed to find a better example than Khan, he's culturally liberal, politically moderate and has done much more for his country than the likes of Anderson.

    It's telling that the constant sotto-voce refrain from the Tory party has been that he's an Islamist, whether that comes in the form of the blatant racism of Anderson or the subtler kind deployed during Zac Goldsmith's mayoral campaign.
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