A Conservative source said: “Lee was simply making the point that the mayor, in his capacity as PCC for London, has abjectly failed to get a grip on the appalling Islamist marches we have seen in London recently.”
I assume those have been the marches by people from all religious backgrounds and none calling for something as "appalling" as one nation not slaughtering the women and children of another nation that they've illegally occupied by military force. Next thing we'll know, the Tories will be calling the people of Ukraine terrorist extremists for fighting against the occupation of part of their nation by Russia. And, I hate to think what they'd have to say about the people of many nations in Europe who took up arms to fight against occupation by the Wehrmacht between 1939-45.
As ever, people are bad at nuance. I'd say that anyone wanting to march under a banner of "stop murdering women and children" would be best advised to avoid the phrase "from the river to the sea", which at best is easy to misinterpret as a call for Israel not to exist, and at worst is in fact a call for Israel not to exist.
A Conservative source said: “Lee was simply making the point that the mayor, in his capacity as PCC for London, has abjectly failed to get a grip on the appalling Islamist marches we have seen in London recently.”
I assume those have been the marches by people from all religious backgrounds and none calling for something as "appalling" as one nation not slaughtering the women and children of another nation that they've illegally occupied by military force. Next thing we'll know, the Tories will be calling the people of Ukraine terrorist extremists for fighting against the occupation of part of their nation by Russia. And, I hate to think what they'd have to say about the people of many nations in Europe who took up arms to fight against occupation by the Wehrmacht between 1939-45.
As ever, people are bad at nuance. I'd say that anyone wanting to march under a banner of "stop murdering women and children" would be best advised to avoid the phrase "from the river to the sea", which at best is easy to misinterpret as a call for Israel not to exist, and at worst is in fact a call for Israel not to exist.
Well no, at worst it's a call for Israelis, and more specifically Jews to be murdered in order to get rid of Israel. Now, the number of people who mean that is tiny, particularly in the UK, but some people hear it as that and a small number encourage people to hear it as that to distract from the aforementioned killing of women and children.
The exact context I'm not sure of, but it's worth remembering Likud (according to the BBC) has the same phrase in its constitution, wrt Israeli sovereignty.
The exact context I'm not sure of, but it's worth remembering Likud (according to the BBC) has the same phrase in its constitution, wrt Israeli sovereignty.
...and using it in an anti-Hamas march would be equally prone to misinterpretation.
In a fresh attack on Khan, the now-independent MP said: “Hundreds of people had been arrested for racist abuse on these marches and we barely hear a peep from the mayor."
That would be 153 people arrested as of the end of December, with 117 released without charge. With marches that sometimes have reached close to a million people. That's with the police having, and using, draconian measures to crack down on democracy.
Not to mention that 153 does not qualify as "hundreds".
Which is why I described his comment as the usual "make shit up" approach.
A Conservative source said: “Lee was simply making the point that the mayor, in his capacity as PCC for London, has abjectly failed to get a grip on the appalling Islamist marches we have seen in London recently.”
I assume those have been the marches by people from all religious backgrounds and none calling for something as "appalling" as one nation not slaughtering the women and children of another nation that they've illegally occupied by military force. Next thing we'll know, the Tories will be calling the people of Ukraine terrorist extremists for fighting against the occupation of part of their nation by Russia. And, I hate to think what they'd have to say about the people of many nations in Europe who took up arms to fight against occupation by the Wehrmacht between 1939-45.
As ever, people are bad at nuance. I'd say that anyone wanting to march under a banner of "stop murdering women and children" would be best advised to avoid the phrase "from the river to the sea", which at best is easy to misinterpret as a call for Israel not to exist, and at worst is in fact a call for Israel not to exist.
It's a geographical descriptor, a reminder that the ongoing troubles are not confined to a narrow strip of land on the coast but encompasses the whole territory between the River Jordan and Mediterranean Sea where currently Palestinians are not free (and, because they're not free neither are the Jewish citizens of Israel). Freedom for the Jewish citizens of Israel requires the freedom of the Palestinians. There has to be a way for everyone to be free, but given the massive power imbalance of the last 75 years it has to start with freedom for Palestine. The alternative is more and more bloodshed, and it won't just be the people of Gaza who will bleed.
And, besides banners like "Stop the Genocide" are very common on the marches I've been on - admittedly in Glasgow and Edinburgh, but are they that different in London?
The exact context I'm not sure of, but it's worth remembering Likud (according to the BBC) has the same phrase in its constitution, wrt Israeli sovereignty.
...and using it in an anti-Hamas march would be equally prone to misinterpretation.
What do you think the mis- and non mis- interpretations would be?
I'm amused by the way he tries to row back saying "there are no-go areas" by saying later "I'm not talking about now." It's like he's not aware of the existence of the past tense.
Since when did accuracy matter to racist scumbag Thirty-Pee? No doubt he would like all the millions of marchers to be arrested and imprisoned (or deported).
I'm amused by the way he tries to row back saying "there are no-go areas" by saying later "I'm not talking about now." It's like he's not aware of the existence of the past tense.
I note that the article mentions he failed to get on the shortlist in the process that nominated Susan-fucking-Hall as the tory candidate for Mayor of London. Just how much of a dipshit do you need to be that Hall looks like the better option?
I don’t believe I share a principle with 30p Lee. He said that he wouldn’t apologise because he believed it was true. The principle of sticking to what you believe to be true is a good one. He is wrong in the facts of the case and racist indeed, but sticking to principles is good.
I don’t believe I share a principle with 30p Lee. He said that he wouldn’t apologise because he believed it was true. The principle of sticking to what you believe to be true is a good one. He is wrong in the facts of the case and racist indeed, but sticking to principles is good.
Sorry, but that’s utter bollocks. If the “principles” someone sticks to are blatant racism they are wrong.
Refusing to believe you are ever wrong is not a good principle. Nor is seeing apologies as a sign of weakness.
I've met a lot of people like 30p. They hate being in the wrong even when they clearly are, so they just refuse to admit it. They particularly hate being corrected by anyone they view as inferior: women, foreigners, Howwid Brown People...
I have seen Six Bob quoted as saying never apologise but I also saw in the Grauniad where the sentence was actually if you are wrong do apologise and if you aren't don't. It looks like what he said has been truncated to look worse. Which is daft because there is plenty to criticise him for and nobody needs to make more up. Not only that but if non-existent stuff is included the whole lot looks less convincing. Which is possibly his tactic.
I don’t believe I share a principle with 30p Lee. He said that he wouldn’t apologise because he believed it was true. The principle of sticking to what you believe to be true is a good one. He is wrong in the facts of the case and racist indeed, but sticking to principles is good.
Sorry, but that’s utter bollocks. If the “principles” someone sticks to are blatant racism they are wrong.
I did say he was wrong and racist. You seem to have missed that part.
I believe God is real. I stand by that. It is the same principle at work but Lee is very wrong
Apparently Six-Bob Lee (thank you @The Rogue) is not averse to at least considering defecting (or perhaps defecating would be a better word?) to the Reform mob.
Maybe all the racist Rats will soon be in the same sack, fighting it out amongst themselves as to who is to be Chief Rat.
(Apologies to proper Rats, who are sagacious and intelligent animals).
Apparently Six-Bob Lee (thank you @The Rogue) is not averse to at least considering defecting (or perhaps defecating would be a better word?) to the Reform mob.
Maybe all the racist Rats will soon be in the same sack, fighting it out amongst themselves as to who is to be Chief Rat.
(Apologies to proper Rats, who are sagacious and intelligent animals).
FWiW I think his intention is to stand for Reform at the GE. Reform will welcome him with open arms because bizarre as it seems he has a strong personal following who will follow him wherever he goes.
Which almost certainly means the right wing vote will be split in Ashfield and Labour will get back in.
Apparently Six-Bob Lee (thank you @The Rogue) is not averse to at least considering defecting (or perhaps defecating would be a better word?) to the Reform mob.
Maybe all the racist Rats will soon be in the same sack, fighting it out amongst themselves as to who is to be Chief Rat.
(Apologies to proper Rats, who are sagacious and intelligent animals).
FWiW I think his intention is to stand for Reform at the GE. Reform will welcome him with open arms because bizarre as it seems he has a strong personal following who will follow him wherever he goes.
Which almost certainly means the right wing vote will be split in Ashfield and Labour will get back in.
Journalists are querying Liz Truss on her comments about the deep state, in other words, right wing conspiracy theory presumably impugning civil servants. Will the Tories try to discipline her on this, ha ha ha ha.
Journalists are querying Liz Truss on her comments about the deep state, in other words, right wing conspiracy theory presumably impugning civil servants. Will the Tories try to discipline her on this, ha ha ha ha.
30p's tactical error was going for a particular person. Liz "Lettuce Longevity" Surgical Support was more cunning and implied the existence of unnamed nefarious actors.
True, but I still can't get my head round the conspiracy theories in the Tory Party. The scary Muslims are taking over! I guess we are heading Trumpwards.
Next Wednesday in the UK we will have the budget and it appear that the Government have a bit of money to spend.
I am against tax cuts.
Me too. The money is needed elsewhere. This is again pressure from the party who always want tax cuts. This happened last time Labour won an election. The Tories offered tax cuts, but the public said they didn’t want them. The Tories fave then anyway. They lost badly
19% drop in vote share for the Conservatives in Rochdale, where the various oddities of that by-election shouldn't have affected potential Conservative voters (indeed, they might have expected to benefit from a shambolic Labour performance).
It looks like a complete evaporation of the vote share for all three major parties, with effectively two independents taking over half the vote. An interesting oddity, to be sure, but I can’t imagine it says anything significant about the upcoming general election. It seems to have been more of a protest vote about the situation in Gaza and the major parties’ response to it than anything else.
It’s not even the first time Galloway has successfully chased the Muslim vote at a by-election.
It is worth noting that despite all the cries of Islam 'taking over' Rochdale is 74% white population. So maybe what happened is that many people chose not to vote, for whatever reason. In normal circumstances, a Labour candidate would almost certainly have been elected, as the Tories and Reform show no sign of attracting significant support.
For all the brouhaha in Rochdale, it won't make a blind bit of difference to the suffering people of Gaza.
Neither will the equally egregious brouhaha over Parliamentary procedures.
The low turnout is worrying, but it's probably a sign of the times, and indicative of the general listlessness and boredom felt by the population when it comes to politics.
Creating fear is not an uncommon conservative strategy.
What will happen then Comrades? Jones will come back! Yes, Jones will come back!
Sorry, I don't understand about 'Jones will come back'.
Animal Farm. Whenever the animals complain against the pigs' policies, their spokespig Squealer says it has to be this way or Jones, the farmer before the Revolution, will come back and they'll be oppressed again.
I'm using it to point out the way politicians - especially Conservatives - use fear of consequences to promote their agenda.
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As ever, people are bad at nuance. I'd say that anyone wanting to march under a banner of "stop murdering women and children" would be best advised to avoid the phrase "from the river to the sea", which at best is easy to misinterpret as a call for Israel not to exist, and at worst is in fact a call for Israel not to exist.
Well no, at worst it's a call for Israelis, and more specifically Jews to be murdered in order to get rid of Israel. Now, the number of people who mean that is tiny, particularly in the UK, but some people hear it as that and a small number encourage people to hear it as that to distract from the aforementioned killing of women and children.
...and using it in an anti-Hamas march would be equally prone to misinterpretation.
And, besides banners like "Stop the Genocide" are very common on the marches I've been on - admittedly in Glasgow and Edinburgh, but are they that different in London?
What do you think the mis- and non mis- interpretations would be?
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I'm amused by the way he tries to row back saying "there are no-go areas" by saying later "I'm not talking about now." It's like he's not aware of the existence of the past tense.
He is not deranged. He is Tory.
Ah - OK, as you were.
I note that the article mentions he failed to get on the shortlist in the process that nominated Susan-fucking-Hall as the tory candidate for Mayor of London. Just how much of a dipshit do you need to be that Hall looks like the better option?
Sorry, but that’s utter bollocks. If the “principles” someone sticks to are blatant racism they are wrong.
I've met a lot of people like 30p. They hate being in the wrong even when they clearly are, so they just refuse to admit it. They particularly hate being corrected by anyone they view as inferior: women, foreigners, Howwid Brown People...
I did say he was wrong and racist. You seem to have missed that part.
I believe God is real. I stand by that. It is the same principle at work but Lee is very wrong
Maybe all the racist Rats will soon be in the same sack, fighting it out amongst themselves as to who is to be Chief Rat.
(Apologies to proper Rats, who are sagacious and intelligent animals).
FWiW I think his intention is to stand for Reform at the GE. Reform will welcome him with open arms because bizarre as it seems he has a strong personal following who will follow him wherever he goes.
Which almost certainly means the right wing vote will be split in Ashfield and Labour will get back in.
Well, there is that hope...
Agree - sticking by your truth agains criticism is a positive. Sticking to it against all of the evidence is not, that is bigotry.
Refusing to admit that you are wrong when you have been shown to be wrong is just stupid. Like Lee.
I have opened a thread in Purg to explain what I mean. So I won’t answer here as it might distract too much.
30p's tactical error was going for a particular person. Liz "Lettuce Longevity" Surgical Support was more cunning and implied the existence of unnamed nefarious actors.
What will happen then Comrades? Jones will come back! Yes, Jones will come back!
Creating fear appears to be their only strategy...
That said they have started promising the earth as we are leading up to an election
He fails to see, however, that the mob is the tory party...
It's the obvious reply. He talks as if there haven't been 14 years of Tory rule/misrule.
They seem quite good at creating poverty.
True, alas, and one could add other Good Things, such as Despair...
Today's episode in the ongoing creation of awfulness:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/29/child-asylum-seekers-in-uk-made-to-play-game-about-who-gets-foster-care-places
I am against tax cuts.
Me too. The money is needed elsewhere. This is again pressure from the party who always want tax cuts. This happened last time Labour won an election. The Tories offered tax cuts, but the public said they didn’t want them. The Tories fave then anyway. They lost badly
It’s not even the first time Galloway has successfully chased the Muslim vote at a by-election.
Neither will the equally egregious brouhaha over Parliamentary procedures.
The low turnout is worrying, but it's probably a sign of the times, and indicative of the general listlessness and boredom felt by the population when it comes to politics.
Extremists in power? Well he should *cough* Truss *cough Anderson *cough* know.
Sorry, I don't understand about 'Jones will come back'.
Animal Farm. Whenever the animals complain against the pigs' policies, their spokespig Squealer says it has to be this way or Jones, the farmer before the Revolution, will come back and they'll be oppressed again.
I'm using it to point out the way politicians - especially Conservatives - use fear of consequences to promote their agenda.
Neither do I, just most of them (per Hope Not Hate's recent survey of tory members). They did, after all, put Liz Truss in government.