Two part questionnaire for atheists

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  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Desiderata: Original Text

    . . .

    by Max Ehrmann ©1927
    How could it be copyright 1927 if nothing existed until 1980?

    And if nothing existed until 1980, then why is it 1980 instead of 0 or 1?


    Lol. God‘s creative I guess.

    But if you're God incarnate, surely you know why? Why the guessing?
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.

    Most atheist believe in it

    But so do most Christians. Why specify that it's a non-theistic idea?
    Because most theists don’t buy into the Big Bang theory
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?

    You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.

    But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.

    All existence appeared in 1980.

    When all existence appeared in 1980, there were all kinds of people of all kinds of ages with all kinds of illnesses.

    But how had their illnesses happened if the people had not existed before? How come we have physical evidence of things existing from before 1980?

    God’s creative like that. Like I said, God couldn’t come out and tell the world the truth who the incarnation of God was because some whack job would off me to try to save the world.

    But why would God need to hide it when according to you, the world would just restart at 1980 again? From what you've said, it doesn't sound like your identity as the incarnation of God actually has any kind of redemptive act attached to it.

    I’m here to live my life and enjoy it. Hopefully others want the same.

    So then why would God bother to hide you? If your life has no theological consequences it doesn't seem like there was any actual point to making you God incarnate.

    Because some unhinged person that wanted to try to save the world would try to off me obviously. I don’t feel like getting killed moments after I appear on earth. Lol

    But that hasn't got anything to do with what God wants or needs, which is what I'm asking about. Aside from any of your feelings, why does God need to keep you alive? It doesn't seem to affect God if you die, going by your explanations here. God wouldn't actually lose anything if someone did kill you when you appeared.

    It appears God does want me to live and enjoy my life. He’s funny like that I guess.

    Don't you know for certain? Surely God incarnate knows God's thoughts?
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.

    All existence appeared in 1980.

    When all existence appeared in 1980, there were all kinds of people of all kinds of ages with all kinds of illnesses.

    But how had their illnesses happened if the people had not existed before? How come we have physical evidence of things existing from before 1980?

    God’s creative like that. Like I said, God couldn’t come out and tell the world the truth who the incarnation of God was because some whack job would off me to try to save the world.

    But why would God need to hide it when according to you, the world would just restart at 1980 again? From what you've said, it doesn't sound like your identity as the incarnation of God actually has any kind of redemptive act attached to it.

    I’m here to live my life and enjoy it. Hopefully others want the same.

    So then why would God bother to hide you? If your life has no theological consequences it doesn't seem like there was any actual point to making you God incarnate.

    Because some unhinged person that wanted to try to save the world would try to off me obviously. I don’t feel like getting killed moments after I appear on earth. Lol

    But that hasn't got anything to do with what God wants or needs, which is what I'm asking about. Aside from any of your feelings, why does God need to keep you alive? It doesn't seem to affect God if you die, going by your explanations here. God wouldn't actually lose anything if someone did kill you when you appeared.

    And if you don’t buy what I told you earlier that It appears God does want me to live and enjoy my life. Then you’re fine believing it was a happy little accident and has no meaning. You’re also fine with believing that the formation of galaxies and planets and stars have no meaning either. Have at it.
  • Pomona wrote: »
    If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?

    You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.

    But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?

    What theology?
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Desiderata: Original Text

    . . .

    by Max Ehrmann ©1927
    How could it be copyright 1927 if nothing existed until 1980?

    And if nothing existed until 1980, then why is it 1980 instead of 0 or 1?


    Lol. God‘s creative I guess.

    But if you're God incarnate, surely you know why? Why the guessing?

    I already told you the reason several times why God couldn’t tell us the truth.
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.

    All existence appeared in 1980.

    When all existence appeared in 1980, there were all kinds of people of all kinds of ages with all kinds of illnesses.

    But how had their illnesses happened if the people had not existed before? How come we have physical evidence of things existing from before 1980?

    God’s creative like that. Like I said, God couldn’t come out and tell the world the truth who the incarnation of God was because some whack job would off me to try to save the world.

    But why would God need to hide it when according to you, the world would just restart at 1980 again? From what you've said, it doesn't sound like your identity as the incarnation of God actually has any kind of redemptive act attached to it.

    I’m here to live my life and enjoy it. Hopefully others want the same.

    So then why would God bother to hide you? If your life has no theological consequences it doesn't seem like there was any actual point to making you God incarnate.

    Because some unhinged person that wanted to try to save the world would try to off me obviously. I don’t feel like getting killed moments after I appear on earth. Lol

    But that hasn't got anything to do with what God wants or needs, which is what I'm asking about. Aside from any of your feelings, why does God need to keep you alive? It doesn't seem to affect God if you die, going by your explanations here. God wouldn't actually lose anything if someone did kill you when you appeared.

    It appears God does want me to live and enjoy my life. He’s funny like that I guess.

    Don't you know for certain? Surely God incarnate knows God's thoughts?

    Lol. It appears you missed the sarcasm.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God would have revealed to the world that I am his incarnation, some lunatic would try to off me. Haha. I know your next question is then why share it with the world. Well, nobody’s gonna believe me. So we’re safe. @Pomona

    Is God not capable of preventing that?

    If Jesus was not God incarnate, why did you qualify?

    Was God capable of preventing 911? Furthermore, I recognize an imperfect God.

    Jesus didn’t exist.

    Jesus as the Messiah, or the historical Jesus? We have non-Christian sources talking about a historical Jesus. I'm not sure why Jesus has to completely not have existed in order for your claim to be true - Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they accept that he existed as a human.

    Why did God choose you specifically? I'm not understanding what the point of it all is, if there's no kind of redemptive act involved. What impact does you being God incarnate have on the rest of the universe?

    Apparently you missed the other thread where I told everybody that all existence began in 1980 when I appeared on earth when I was five years old, and all existence will end and begin the same way when I die.

    So when I say, Jesus didn’t exist, I mean it.
    Everything before 1980 didn’t exist.
    The memories that we have they seem real. And the scars that people have from things like the holocaust are very real. Unfortunately

    I did read it, but you didn't explain how this was possible. How could existence begin if you were already 5 years old?

    How come physically older people and age-related illnesses exist if those people aren't actually that old? Please give sources.

    All existence appeared in 1980.

    When all existence appeared in 1980, there were all kinds of people of all kinds of ages with all kinds of illnesses.

    But how had their illnesses happened if the people had not existed before? How come we have physical evidence of things existing from before 1980?

    God’s creative like that. Like I said, God couldn’t come out and tell the world the truth who the incarnation of God was because some whack job would off me to try to save the world.

    But why would God need to hide it when according to you, the world would just restart at 1980 again? From what you've said, it doesn't sound like your identity as the incarnation of God actually has any kind of redemptive act attached to it.

    I’m here to live my life and enjoy it. Hopefully others want the same.

    So then why would God bother to hide you? If your life has no theological consequences it doesn't seem like there was any actual point to making you God incarnate.

    Because some unhinged person that wanted to try to save the world would try to off me obviously. I don’t feel like getting killed moments after I appear on earth. Lol

    But that hasn't got anything to do with what God wants or needs, which is what I'm asking about. Aside from any of your feelings, why does God need to keep you alive? It doesn't seem to affect God if you die, going by your explanations here. God wouldn't actually lose anything if someone did kill you when you appeared.

    And if you don’t buy what I told you earlier that It appears God does want me to live and enjoy my life. Then you’re fine believing it was a happy little accident and has no meaning. You’re also fine with believing that the formation of galaxies and planets and stars have no meaning either. Have at it.

    I mean, I'm not sure why you're claiming to know my thoughts on the meaning of the universe. There's also a big difference between believing that you are the incarnation of God, and believing that your existence has no meaning.

    The traditional Christian stance would say that your life as a perfect God's creation saved by the death and resurrection of Jesus has *more* meaning than that of an incarnation of an imperfect God whose life will simply restart if they die.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?

    You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.

    But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?

    What theology?

    The theology of your worldview.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Desiderata: Original Text

    . . .

    by Max Ehrmann ©1927
    How could it be copyright 1927 if nothing existed until 1980?

    And if nothing existed until 1980, then why is it 1980 instead of 0 or 1?


    Lol. God‘s creative I guess.

    But if you're God incarnate, surely you know why? Why the guessing?

    I already told you the reason several times why God couldn’t tell us the truth.

    But how could God keep information from God incarnate?
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?

    You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.

    But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?

    What theology?

    The theology of your worldview.

    What would you like to know specifically?
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.

    Most atheist believe in it

    But so do most Christians. Why specify that it's a non-theistic idea?
    Because most theists don’t buy into the Big Bang theory

    This is not true. Where is your source for this claim?
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.

    Most atheist believe in it

    But so do most Christians. Why specify that it's a non-theistic idea?
    Because most theists don’t buy into the Big Bang theory

    This is not true. Where is your source for this claim?

    Where is your source for your claim?
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.

    Most atheist believe in it

    But so do most Christians. Why specify that it's a non-theistic idea?
    Because most theists don’t buy into the Big Bang theory

    This is not true. Where is your source for this claim?

    Where is your source for your claim?

    You're the one introducing a claim. The onus is on you to provide evidence.
  • godincarnatemegodincarnateme Shipmate
    edited November 19
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.

    Most atheist believe in it

    But so do most Christians. Why specify that it's a non-theistic idea?
    Because most theists don’t buy into the Big Bang theory

    This is not true. Where is your source for this claim?

    Where is your source for your claim?

    You're the one introducing a claim. The onus is on you to provide evidence.

    Why, so you can just dismiss the source as unreliable? And I don’t have a source I just know it.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?

    You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.

    But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?

    What theology?

    The theology of your worldview.

    What would you like to know specifically?

    Can you give a synopsis of your theological worldview? How does it fit into Christianity? What about the Trinity? What about Heaven/Hell/an afterlife? Why did God choose to become incarnate if there is no redemptive act involved? Does original sin exist?
  • DFTT
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.

    Most atheist believe in it

    But so do most Christians. Why specify that it's a non-theistic idea?
    Because most theists don’t buy into the Big Bang theory

    This is not true. Where is your source for this claim?

    Where is your source for your claim?

    You're the one introducing a claim. The onus is on you to provide evidence.

    Why, so you can just dismiss the source as unreliable? And I don’t have a source I just know it.

    No? Because according to you, you're trying to tell everyone the truth about God and existence. If you don't have evidence, why should people believe you?

    I am curious as to why you made a post about atheists specifically. Surely your ideas are more of a threat to Christianity than atheism?
  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?

    You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.

    But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?

    What theology?

    The theology of your worldview.

    What would you like to know specifically?

    Can you give a synopsis of your theological worldview? How does it fit into Christianity? What about the Trinity? What about Heaven/Hell/an afterlife? Why did God choose to become incarnate if there is no redemptive act involved? Does original sin exist?

    I already mentioned that many Christians secretly think “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. They don’t think it’s me. They don’t know who this person is, but they know he exists.

    As far as the three God concept. I recognize a creator God. I am God incarnate. Regarding the “Holy Spirit” I think people can receive wisdom from God to discover the truth about life and guide them.

    As far as afterlife goes, when you’re dead, you’re dead. There is nothing. I’m the only person that has an “afterlife”.

    I told you about five times now there needs to be an incarnation of God to serve as God’s time.

    As far as original Sin goes— nature is imperfect.



  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.

    Most atheist believe in it

    But so do most Christians. Why specify that it's a non-theistic idea?
    Because most theists don’t buy into the Big Bang theory

    This is not true. Where is your source for this claim?

    Where is your source for your claim?

    You're the one introducing a claim. The onus is on you to provide evidence.

    Why, so you can just dismiss the source as unreliable? And I don’t have a source I just know it.

    No? Because according to you, you're trying to tell everyone the truth about God and existence. If you don't have evidence, why should people believe you?

    I am curious as to why you made a post about atheists specifically. Surely your ideas are more of a threat to Christianity than atheism?

    Are you sure about? If anything, my ideas would strengthen Christianity. Lol
  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?

    You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.

    But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?

    What theology?

    The theology of your worldview.

    What would you like to know specifically?

    Can you give a synopsis of your theological worldview? How does it fit into Christianity? What about the Trinity? What about Heaven/Hell/an afterlife? Why did God choose to become incarnate if there is no redemptive act involved? Does original sin exist?

    I already mentioned that many Christians secretly think “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. They don’t think it’s me. They don’t know who this person is, but they know he exists.

    As far as the three God concept. I recognize a creator God. I am God incarnate. Regarding the “Holy Spirit” I think people can receive wisdom from God to discover the truth about life and guide them.

    As far as afterlife goes, when you’re dead, you’re dead. There is nothing. I’m the only person that has an “afterlife”.

    I told you about five times now there needs to be an incarnation of God to serve as God’s time.

    As far as original Sin goes— nature is imperfect.



    But why did God need time? Surely God is self-sustaining outside of space and time. Also, why did creation come from the incarnation and not beforehand?

    Christians do not secretly believe that “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. That is not a belief that any Christian has. Who has told you that Christians think this? Have any Christians told you that they think this?

    The Trinity is not a three God concept.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    The world salad involved here doesn't suggest troll, to me.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?

    You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.

    But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?

    What theology?

    The theology of your worldview.

    What would you like to know specifically?

    Can you give a synopsis of your theological worldview? How does it fit into Christianity? What about the Trinity? What about Heaven/Hell/an afterlife? Why did God choose to become incarnate if there is no redemptive act involved? Does original sin exist?

    I already mentioned that many Christians secretly think “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. They don’t think it’s me. They don’t know who this person is, but they know he exists.

    As far as the three God concept. I recognize a creator God. I am God incarnate. Regarding the “Holy Spirit” I think people can receive wisdom from God to discover the truth about life and guide them.

    As far as afterlife goes, when you’re dead, you’re dead. There is nothing. I’m the only person that has an “afterlife”.

    I told you about five times now there needs to be an incarnation of God to serve as God’s time.

    As far as original Sin goes— nature is imperfect.



    But why did God need time? Surely God is self-sustaining outside of space and time. Also, why did creation come from the incarnation and not beforehand?

    Christians do not secretly believe that “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. That is not a belief that any Christian has. Who has told you that Christians think this? Have any Christians told you that they think this?

    The Trinity is not a three God concept.

    God is space and I am time.
    Together we are one.

    No Christian has told me. That’s what makes it a secret.

    Yes, I’m aware that the Trinity together makes up one God.
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?

    As I’ve told you five times now, my God is in perfect.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.

    Most atheist believe in it

    But so do most Christians. Why specify that it's a non-theistic idea?
    Because most theists don’t buy into the Big Bang theory

    This is not true. Where is your source for this claim?

    Where is your source for your claim?

    You're the one introducing a claim. The onus is on you to provide evidence.

    Why, so you can just dismiss the source as unreliable? And I don’t have a source I just know it.

    No? Because according to you, you're trying to tell everyone the truth about God and existence. If you don't have evidence, why should people believe you?

    I am curious as to why you made a post about atheists specifically. Surely your ideas are more of a threat to Christianity than atheism?

    Are you sure about? If anything, my ideas would strengthen Christianity. Lol

    Can you explain how your ideas would strengthen Christianity?

    Atheists aren't going to believe in God, whether it's your God or the Christian God. You claiming to be the incarnation of God is not in any way a threat to atheists - it's just another religious belief they don't believe in. Claiming that Jesus was a false Messiah is not something atheists object to.
  • I told you about five times now there needs to be an incarnation of God to serve as God’s time.
    To quote Buffy, your logic does not resemble our Earth logic.


  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?

    You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.

    But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?

    What theology?

    The theology of your worldview.

    What would you like to know specifically?

    Can you give a synopsis of your theological worldview? How does it fit into Christianity? What about the Trinity? What about Heaven/Hell/an afterlife? Why did God choose to become incarnate if there is no redemptive act involved? Does original sin exist?

    I already mentioned that many Christians secretly think “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. They don’t think it’s me. They don’t know who this person is, but they know he exists.

    As far as the three God concept. I recognize a creator God. I am God incarnate. Regarding the “Holy Spirit” I think people can receive wisdom from God to discover the truth about life and guide them.

    As far as afterlife goes, when you’re dead, you’re dead. There is nothing. I’m the only person that has an “afterlife”.

    I told you about five times now there needs to be an incarnation of God to serve as God’s time.

    As far as original Sin goes— nature is imperfect.



    But why did God need time? Surely God is self-sustaining outside of space and time. Also, why did creation come from the incarnation and not beforehand?

    Christians do not secretly believe that “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. That is not a belief that any Christian has. Who has told you that Christians think this? Have any Christians told you that they think this?

    The Trinity is not a three God concept.

    God is space and I am time.
    Together we are one.

    No Christian has told me. That’s what makes it a secret.

    Yes, I’m aware that the Trinity together makes up one God.

    If you and God are one, why do you not seem to know why God does anything? It all seems to be guesswork not actual knowledge.

    If it's a secret, how do you know that this is what Christians think?
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.

    Most atheist believe in it

    But so do most Christians. Why specify that it's a non-theistic idea?
    Because most theists don’t buy into the Big Bang theory

    This is not true. Where is your source for this claim?

    Where is your source for your claim?

    You're the one introducing a claim. The onus is on you to provide evidence.

    Why, so you can just dismiss the source as unreliable? And I don’t have a source I just know it.

    No? Because according to you, you're trying to tell everyone the truth about God and existence. If you don't have evidence, why should people believe you?

    I am curious as to why you made a post about atheists specifically. Surely your ideas are more of a threat to Christianity than atheism?

    Are you sure about? If anything, my ideas would strengthen Christianity. Lol

    Can you explain how your ideas would strengthen Christianity?

    Atheists aren't going to believe in God, whether it's your God or the Christian God. You claiming to be the incarnation of God is not in any way a threat to atheists - it's just another religious belief they don't believe in. Claiming that Jesus was a false Messiah is not something atheists object to.

    The lightbulb will go off and they’ll think to themselves oh yeah that’s who Jesus is. Then they will embrace their religion and all the trimmings they go along with like Christmas and Easter. They will rejoice for they will have found the truth. They will keep the secret like the rest of them though.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?

    As I’ve told you five times now, my God is in perfect.

    Yet capable of creating the universe?
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.

    Most atheist believe in it

    But so do most Christians. Why specify that it's a non-theistic idea?
    Because most theists don’t buy into the Big Bang theory

    This is not true. Where is your source for this claim?

    Where is your source for your claim?

    You're the one introducing a claim. The onus is on you to provide evidence.

    Why, so you can just dismiss the source as unreliable? And I don’t have a source I just know it.

    No? Because according to you, you're trying to tell everyone the truth about God and existence. If you don't have evidence, why should people believe you?

    I am curious as to why you made a post about atheists specifically. Surely your ideas are more of a threat to Christianity than atheism?

    Are you sure about? If anything, my ideas would strengthen Christianity. Lol

    Can you explain how your ideas would strengthen Christianity?

    Atheists aren't going to believe in God, whether it's your God or the Christian God. You claiming to be the incarnation of God is not in any way a threat to atheists - it's just another religious belief they don't believe in. Claiming that Jesus was a false Messiah is not something atheists object to.

    The lightbulb will go off and they’ll think to themselves oh yeah that’s who Jesus is. Then they will embrace their religion and all the trimmings they go along with like Christmas and Easter. They will rejoice for they will have found the truth. They will keep the secret like the rest of them though.

    But why would they keep it a secret if it's something that brings such rejoicing? Also, what is it about you being God incarnate that would bring them joy? I can't see how it would bring them joy. Christians discovering that God is imperfect and also that Jesus was a fraud would bring them immense sorrow and pain.
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?

    You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.

    But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?

    What theology?

    The theology of your worldview.

    What would you like to know specifically?

    Can you give a synopsis of your theological worldview? How does it fit into Christianity? What about the Trinity? What about Heaven/Hell/an afterlife? Why did God choose to become incarnate if there is no redemptive act involved? Does original sin exist?

    I already mentioned that many Christians secretly think “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. They don’t think it’s me. They don’t know who this person is, but they know he exists.

    As far as the three God concept. I recognize a creator God. I am God incarnate. Regarding the “Holy Spirit” I think people can receive wisdom from God to discover the truth about life and guide them.

    As far as afterlife goes, when you’re dead, you’re dead. There is nothing. I’m the only person that has an “afterlife”.

    I told you about five times now there needs to be an incarnation of God to serve as God’s time.

    As far as original Sin goes— nature is imperfect.



    But why did God need time? Surely God is self-sustaining outside of space and time. Also, why did creation come from the incarnation and not beforehand?

    Christians do not secretly believe that “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. That is not a belief that any Christian has. Who has told you that Christians think this? Have any Christians told you that they think this?

    The Trinity is not a three God concept.

    God is space and I am time.
    Together we are one.

    No Christian has told me. That’s what makes it a secret.

    Yes, I’m aware that the Trinity together makes up one God.

    If you and God are one, why do you not seem to know why God does anything? It all seems to be guesswork not actual knowledge.

    If it's a secret, how do you know that this is what Christians think?

    So far, you haven’t asked me anything about why God does something.

    I just know. Have you ever listened to an evangelical preacher preach? They’re a little excited, aren’t they?
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?

    As I’ve told you five times now, my God is in perfect.

    Yet capable of creating the universe?

    Without skinned knees there would be no knees at all.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?

    You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.

    But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?

    What theology?

    The theology of your worldview.

    What would you like to know specifically?

    Can you give a synopsis of your theological worldview? How does it fit into Christianity? What about the Trinity? What about Heaven/Hell/an afterlife? Why did God choose to become incarnate if there is no redemptive act involved? Does original sin exist?

    I already mentioned that many Christians secretly think “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. They don’t think it’s me. They don’t know who this person is, but they know he exists.

    As far as the three God concept. I recognize a creator God. I am God incarnate. Regarding the “Holy Spirit” I think people can receive wisdom from God to discover the truth about life and guide them.

    As far as afterlife goes, when you’re dead, you’re dead. There is nothing. I’m the only person that has an “afterlife”.

    I told you about five times now there needs to be an incarnation of God to serve as God’s time.

    As far as original Sin goes— nature is imperfect.



    But why did God need time? Surely God is self-sustaining outside of space and time. Also, why did creation come from the incarnation and not beforehand?

    Christians do not secretly believe that “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. That is not a belief that any Christian has. Who has told you that Christians think this? Have any Christians told you that they think this?

    The Trinity is not a three God concept.

    God is space and I am time.
    Together we are one.

    No Christian has told me. That’s what makes it a secret.

    Yes, I’m aware that the Trinity together makes up one God.

    If you and God are one, why do you not seem to know why God does anything? It all seems to be guesswork not actual knowledge.

    If it's a secret, how do you know that this is what Christians think?

    So far, you haven’t asked me anything about why God does something.

    I just know. Have you ever listened to an evangelical preacher preach? They’re a little excited, aren’t they?

    I have asked multiple times why God needed to become incarnate in your person, and why God needs you to stay alive.

    What does an evangelical preacher preaching with enthusiasm have to do with you knowing what Christians secretly think?
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?

    As I’ve told you five times now, my God is in perfect.

    Yet capable of creating the universe?

    Without skinned knees there would be no knees at all.

    This is ontologically false. Knees have to exist in order to be skinned.
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?

    You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.

    But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?

    What theology?

    The theology of your worldview.

    What would you like to know specifically?

    Can you give a synopsis of your theological worldview? How does it fit into Christianity? What about the Trinity? What about Heaven/Hell/an afterlife? Why did God choose to become incarnate if there is no redemptive act involved? Does original sin exist?

    I already mentioned that many Christians secretly think “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. They don’t think it’s me. They don’t know who this person is, but they know he exists.

    As far as the three God concept. I recognize a creator God. I am God incarnate. Regarding the “Holy Spirit” I think people can receive wisdom from God to discover the truth about life and guide them.

    As far as afterlife goes, when you’re dead, you’re dead. There is nothing. I’m the only person that has an “afterlife”.

    I told you about five times now there needs to be an incarnation of God to serve as God’s time.

    As far as original Sin goes— nature is imperfect.



    But why did God need time? Surely God is self-sustaining outside of space and time. Also, why did creation come from the incarnation and not beforehand?

    Christians do not secretly believe that “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. That is not a belief that any Christian has. Who has told you that Christians think this? Have any Christians told you that they think this?

    The Trinity is not a three God concept.

    God is space and I am time.
    Together we are one.

    No Christian has told me. That’s what makes it a secret.

    Yes, I’m aware that the Trinity together makes up one God.

    If you and God are one, why do you not seem to know why God does anything? It all seems to be guesswork not actual knowledge.

    If it's a secret, how do you know that this is what Christians think?

    So far, you haven’t asked me anything about why God does something.

    I just know. Have you ever listened to an evangelical preacher preach? They’re a little excited, aren’t they?

    I have asked multiple times why God needed to become incarnate in your person, and why God needs you to stay alive.

    What does an evangelical preacher preaching with enthusiasm have to do with you knowing what Christians secretly think?

    And I’ve told you multiple times that I am the time.
    And I’ve stated the God need me to stay alive so that I can enjoy my life. God creates things for a reason. The same way that he created our sun to warm our planet. There is a reason for it. Like I said, as an atheist, you’re more than welcome to disregard these reasons and think they’re happy little accidents that mean nothing.

    I told you that I just know it. But if that wasn’t good enough for you, I gave you the excited preacher. You don’t have to buy any of it.
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?

    As I’ve told you five times now, my God is in perfect.

    Yet capable of creating the universe?

    Without skinned knees there would be no knees at all.

    This is ontologically false. Knees have to exist in order to be skinned.

    You missed the point.
  • Okay, starting to get bored here.

    Tell me, why should any of us give a darn?

    And if your answer is "You don't need to," then why bother informing us? Are you bored, too?
  • Okay, starting to get bored here.

    Tell me, why should any of us give a darn?

    And if your answer is "You don't need to," then why bother informing us? Are you bored, too?

    There might be a lone wolf out there that gets enlightened
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?

    You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.

    But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?

    What theology?

    The theology of your worldview.

    What would you like to know specifically?

    Can you give a synopsis of your theological worldview? How does it fit into Christianity? What about the Trinity? What about Heaven/Hell/an afterlife? Why did God choose to become incarnate if there is no redemptive act involved? Does original sin exist?

    I already mentioned that many Christians secretly think “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. They don’t think it’s me. They don’t know who this person is, but they know he exists.

    As far as the three God concept. I recognize a creator God. I am God incarnate. Regarding the “Holy Spirit” I think people can receive wisdom from God to discover the truth about life and guide them.

    As far as afterlife goes, when you’re dead, you’re dead. There is nothing. I’m the only person that has an “afterlife”.

    I told you about five times now there needs to be an incarnation of God to serve as God’s time.

    As far as original Sin goes— nature is imperfect.



    But why did God need time? Surely God is self-sustaining outside of space and time. Also, why did creation come from the incarnation and not beforehand?

    Christians do not secretly believe that “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. That is not a belief that any Christian has. Who has told you that Christians think this? Have any Christians told you that they think this?

    The Trinity is not a three God concept.

    God is space and I am time.
    Together we are one.

    No Christian has told me. That’s what makes it a secret.

    Yes, I’m aware that the Trinity together makes up one God.

    If you and God are one, why do you not seem to know why God does anything? It all seems to be guesswork not actual knowledge.

    If it's a secret, how do you know that this is what Christians think?

    So far, you haven’t asked me anything about why God does something.

    I just know. Have you ever listened to an evangelical preacher preach? They’re a little excited, aren’t they?

    I have asked multiple times why God needed to become incarnate in your person, and why God needs you to stay alive.

    What does an evangelical preacher preaching with enthusiasm have to do with you knowing what Christians secretly think?

    And I’ve told you multiple times that I am the time.
    And I’ve stated the God need me to stay alive so that I can enjoy my life. God creates things for a reason. The same way that he created our sun to warm our planet. There is a reason for it. Like I said, as an atheist, you’re more than welcome to disregard these reasons and think they’re happy little accidents that mean nothing.

    I told you that I just know it. But if that wasn’t good enough for you, I gave you the excited preacher. You don’t have to buy any of it.

    But I'm not an atheist, why have you assumed that I am?

    Could you explain the reference to the excited preacher? I just don't understand what you mean. Why does preaching with enthusiasm connect to what you know about what Christians think?
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?

    As I’ve told you five times now, my God is in perfect.

    Yet capable of creating the universe?

    Without skinned knees there would be no knees at all.

    This is ontologically false. Knees have to exist in order to be skinned.

    You missed the point.

    Could you explain more, then?
  • Okay, starting to get bored here.

    Tell me, why should any of us give a darn?

    And if your answer is "You don't need to," then why bother informing us? Are you bored, too?

    There might be a lone wolf out there that gets enlightened

    For what purpose. so he can whack you? Seems counterproductive, from your point of view. And so far that's the only outcome you've mentioned of anyone figuring out who you are.
  • Pomona wrote: »
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    If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?

    You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.

    But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?

    What theology?

    The theology of your worldview.

    What would you like to know specifically?

    Can you give a synopsis of your theological worldview? How does it fit into Christianity? What about the Trinity? What about Heaven/Hell/an afterlife? Why did God choose to become incarnate if there is no redemptive act involved? Does original sin exist?

    I already mentioned that many Christians secretly think “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. They don’t think it’s me. They don’t know who this person is, but they know he exists.

    As far as the three God concept. I recognize a creator God. I am God incarnate. Regarding the “Holy Spirit” I think people can receive wisdom from God to discover the truth about life and guide them.

    As far as afterlife goes, when you’re dead, you’re dead. There is nothing. I’m the only person that has an “afterlife”.

    I told you about five times now there needs to be an incarnation of God to serve as God’s time.

    As far as original Sin goes— nature is imperfect.



    But why did God need time? Surely God is self-sustaining outside of space and time. Also, why did creation come from the incarnation and not beforehand?

    Christians do not secretly believe that “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. That is not a belief that any Christian has. Who has told you that Christians think this? Have any Christians told you that they think this?

    The Trinity is not a three God concept.

    God is space and I am time.
    Together we are one.

    No Christian has told me. That’s what makes it a secret.

    Yes, I’m aware that the Trinity together makes up one God.

    If you and God are one, why do you not seem to know why God does anything? It all seems to be guesswork not actual knowledge.

    If it's a secret, how do you know that this is what Christians think?

    So far, you haven’t asked me anything about why God does something.

    I just know. Have you ever listened to an evangelical preacher preach? They’re a little excited, aren’t they?

    I have asked multiple times why God needed to become incarnate in your person, and why God needs you to stay alive.

    What does an evangelical preacher preaching with enthusiasm have to do with you knowing what Christians secretly think?

    And I’ve told you multiple times that I am the time.
    And I’ve stated the God need me to stay alive so that I can enjoy my life. God creates things for a reason. The same way that he created our sun to warm our planet. There is a reason for it. Like I said, as an atheist, you’re more than welcome to disregard these reasons and think they’re happy little accidents that mean nothing.

    I told you that I just know it. But if that wasn’t good enough for you, I gave you the excited preacher. You don’t have to buy any of it.

    But I'm not an atheist, why have you assumed that I am?

    Could you explain the reference to the excited preacher? I just don't understand what you mean. Why does preaching with enthusiasm connect to what you know about what Christians think?

    They get all pumped up talking about how Jesus is alive and that he’s gonna come back…. You don’t actually think they’re talking about a dude that lived 2000 years ago do ya? Come on! Sometimes you gotta use your head a little bit.
  • Pomona wrote: »
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    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?

    As I’ve told you five times now, my God is in perfect.

    Yet capable of creating the universe?

    Without skinned knees there would be no knees at all.

    This is ontologically false. Knees have to exist in order to be skinned.

    You missed the point.

    Could you explain more, then?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?
    Pomona wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    DFTT

    Yes, but some of us are bored.

    Just one question right now:

    How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?

    The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.

    But why is your God so ineffectual?

    As I’ve told you five times now, my God is in perfect.

    Yet capable of creating the universe?

    Without skinned knees there would be no knees at all.

    This is ontologically false. Knees have to exist in order to be skinned.

    You missed the point.

    Could you explain more, then?

    Not really.
  • Pomona wrote: »
    You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.

    Most atheist believe in it

    Most Christians do, too.
  • Okay, starting to get bored here.

    Tell me, why should any of us give a darn?

    And if your answer is "You don't need to," then why bother informing us? Are you bored, too?

    There might be a lone wolf out there that gets enlightened

    For what purpose. so he can whack you? Seems counterproductive, from your point of view. And so far that's the only outcome you've mentioned of anyone figuring out who you are.

    For the purpose of knowing there’s someone on the Earth who is God incarnate and holds existence in their hands. They don’t have to think it’s me.

    No, the other outcome I’ve mentioned was that nobody will believe me. And that’s the outcome that will happen. I already know that. I wouldn’t have started it three years ago online had I not known what would happen.
  • Pomona wrote: »
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    You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.

    Most atheist believe in it

    But so do most Christians. Why specify that it's a non-theistic idea?

    Not to mention that it was a monk who postulated it in the first place.
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