If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?
You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.
But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?
What theology?
The theology of your worldview.
What would you like to know specifically?
Can you give a synopsis of your theological worldview? How does it fit into Christianity? What about the Trinity? What about Heaven/Hell/an afterlife? Why did God choose to become incarnate if there is no redemptive act involved? Does original sin exist?
I already mentioned that many Christians secretly think “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. They don’t think it’s me. They don’t know who this person is, but they know he exists.
As far as the three God concept. I recognize a creator God. I am God incarnate. Regarding the “Holy Spirit” I think people can receive wisdom from God to discover the truth about life and guide them.
As far as afterlife goes, when you’re dead, you’re dead. There is nothing. I’m the only person that has an “afterlife”.
I told you about five times now there needs to be an incarnation of God to serve as God’s time.
As far as original Sin goes— nature is imperfect.
But why did God need time? Surely God is self-sustaining outside of space and time. Also, why did creation come from the incarnation and not beforehand?
Christians do not secretly believe that “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. That is not a belief that any Christian has. Who has told you that Christians think this? Have any Christians told you that they think this?
The Trinity is not a three God concept.
God is space and I am time.
Together we are one.
No Christian has told me. That’s what makes it a secret.
Yes, I’m aware that the Trinity together makes up one God.
If you and God are one, why do you not seem to know why God does anything? It all seems to be guesswork not actual knowledge.
If it's a secret, how do you know that this is what Christians think?
So far, you haven’t asked me anything about why God does something.
I just know. Have you ever listened to an evangelical preacher preach? They’re a little excited, aren’t they?
I have asked multiple times why God needed to become incarnate in your person, and why God needs you to stay alive.
What does an evangelical preacher preaching with enthusiasm have to do with you knowing what Christians secretly think?
And I’ve told you multiple times that I am the time.
And I’ve stated the God need me to stay alive so that I can enjoy my life. God creates things for a reason. The same way that he created our sun to warm our planet. There is a reason for it. Like I said, as an atheist, you’re more than welcome to disregard these reasons and think they’re happy little accidents that mean nothing.
I told you that I just know it. But if that wasn’t good enough for you, I gave you the excited preacher. You don’t have to buy any of it.
But I'm not an atheist, why have you assumed that I am?
Could you explain the reference to the excited preacher? I just don't understand what you mean. Why does preaching with enthusiasm connect to what you know about what Christians think?
They get all pumped up talking about how Jesus is alive and that he’s gonna come back…. You don’t actually think they’re talking about a dude that lived 2000 years ago do ya? Come on! Sometimes you gotta use your head a little bit.
Why did you assume that I'm an atheist?
Believing that Jesus lived 2000 years ago, is alive, and will return? That's extremely basic Christian doctrine. Why does an evangelical preacher being excited about Jesus returning mean that he secretly knows that Jesus was a false Messiah and that the incarnation of God is on Earth now?
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
But why is your God so ineffectual?
As I’ve told you five times now, my God is in perfect.
Yet capable of creating the universe?
Without skinned knees there would be no knees at all.
This is ontologically false. Knees have to exist in order to be skinned.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
But why is your God so ineffectual?
As I’ve told you five times now, my God is in perfect.
Yet capable of creating the universe?
Without skinned knees there would be no knees at all.
This is ontologically false. Knees have to exist in order to be skinned.
You missed the point.
Could you explain more, then?
Not really.
So how can you enlighten people if you can't explain your points?
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
But so do most Christians. Why specify that it's a non-theistic idea?
Because most theists don’t buy into the Big Bang theory
This is not true. Where is your source for this claim?
Where is your source for your claim?
You're the one introducing a claim. The onus is on you to provide evidence.
Why, so you can just dismiss the source as unreliable? And I don’t have a source I just know it.
No? Because according to you, you're trying to tell everyone the truth about God and existence. If you don't have evidence, why should people believe you?
I am curious as to why you made a post about atheists specifically. Surely your ideas are more of a threat to Christianity than atheism?
Are you sure about? If anything, my ideas would strengthen Christianity. Lol
Can you explain how your ideas would strengthen Christianity?
Atheists aren't going to believe in God, whether it's your God or the Christian God. You claiming to be the incarnation of God is not in any way a threat to atheists - it's just another religious belief they don't believe in. Claiming that Jesus was a false Messiah is not something atheists object to.
The lightbulb will go off and they’ll think to themselves oh yeah that’s who Jesus is. Then they will embrace their religion and all the trimmings they go along with like Christmas and Easter. They will rejoice for they will have found the truth. They will keep the secret like the rest of them though.
Since you believe all of reality started forty-five years ago and will blip out again, and apparently without an afterlife for everyone living in it, whenever you die (and you haven't suggested anything like being longer-lived than anyone else), for what, there will be a religious change for... another thirty or forty years? For a total of a century or less?
If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?
You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.
But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?
What theology?
The theology of your worldview.
What would you like to know specifically?
Can you give a synopsis of your theological worldview? How does it fit into Christianity? What about the Trinity? What about Heaven/Hell/an afterlife? Why did God choose to become incarnate if there is no redemptive act involved? Does original sin exist?
I already mentioned that many Christians secretly think “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. They don’t think it’s me. They don’t know who this person is, but they know he exists.
As far as the three God concept. I recognize a creator God. I am God incarnate. Regarding the “Holy Spirit” I think people can receive wisdom from God to discover the truth about life and guide them.
As far as afterlife goes, when you’re dead, you’re dead. There is nothing. I’m the only person that has an “afterlife”.
I told you about five times now there needs to be an incarnation of God to serve as God’s time.
As far as original Sin goes— nature is imperfect.
But why did God need time? Surely God is self-sustaining outside of space and time. Also, why did creation come from the incarnation and not beforehand?
Christians do not secretly believe that “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. That is not a belief that any Christian has. Who has told you that Christians think this? Have any Christians told you that they think this?
The Trinity is not a three God concept.
God is space and I am time.
Together we are one.
No Christian has told me. That’s what makes it a secret.
Yes, I’m aware that the Trinity together makes up one God.
If you and God are one, why do you not seem to know why God does anything? It all seems to be guesswork not actual knowledge.
If it's a secret, how do you know that this is what Christians think?
So far, you haven’t asked me anything about why God does something.
I just know. Have you ever listened to an evangelical preacher preach? They’re a little excited, aren’t they?
I have asked multiple times why God needed to become incarnate in your person, and why God needs you to stay alive.
What does an evangelical preacher preaching with enthusiasm have to do with you knowing what Christians secretly think?
And I’ve told you multiple times that I am the time.
And I’ve stated the God need me to stay alive so that I can enjoy my life. God creates things for a reason. The same way that he created our sun to warm our planet. There is a reason for it. Like I said, as an atheist, you’re more than welcome to disregard these reasons and think they’re happy little accidents that mean nothing.
I told you that I just know it. But if that wasn’t good enough for you, I gave you the excited preacher. You don’t have to buy any of it.
But I'm not an atheist, why have you assumed that I am?
Could you explain the reference to the excited preacher? I just don't understand what you mean. Why does preaching with enthusiasm connect to what you know about what Christians think?
They get all pumped up talking about how Jesus is alive and that he’s gonna come back…. You don’t actually think they’re talking about a dude that lived 2000 years ago do ya? Come on! Sometimes you gotta use your head a little bit.
Why did you assume that I'm an atheist?
Believing that Jesus lived 2000 years ago, is alive, and will return? That's extremely basic Christian doctrine. Why does an evangelical preacher being excited about Jesus returning mean that he secretly knows that Jesus was a false Messiah and that the incarnation of God is on Earth now?
If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?
You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.
But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?
What theology?
The theology of your worldview.
What would you like to know specifically?
Can you give a synopsis of your theological worldview? How does it fit into Christianity? What about the Trinity? What about Heaven/Hell/an afterlife? Why did God choose to become incarnate if there is no redemptive act involved? Does original sin exist?
I already mentioned that many Christians secretly think “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. They don’t think it’s me. They don’t know who this person is, but they know he exists.
As far as the three God concept. I recognize a creator God. I am God incarnate. Regarding the “Holy Spirit” I think people can receive wisdom from God to discover the truth about life and guide them.
As far as afterlife goes, when you’re dead, you’re dead. There is nothing. I’m the only person that has an “afterlife”.
I told you about five times now there needs to be an incarnation of God to serve as God’s time.
As far as original Sin goes— nature is imperfect.
But why did God need time? Surely God is self-sustaining outside of space and time. Also, why did creation come from the incarnation and not beforehand?
Christians do not secretly believe that “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. That is not a belief that any Christian has. Who has told you that Christians think this? Have any Christians told you that they think this?
The Trinity is not a three God concept.
God is space and I am time.
Together we are one.
No Christian has told me. That’s what makes it a secret.
Yes, I’m aware that the Trinity together makes up one God.
If you and God are one, why do you not seem to know why God does anything? It all seems to be guesswork not actual knowledge.
If it's a secret, how do you know that this is what Christians think?
So far, you haven’t asked me anything about why God does something.
I just know. Have you ever listened to an evangelical preacher preach? They’re a little excited, aren’t they?
I have asked multiple times why God needed to become incarnate in your person, and why God needs you to stay alive.
What does an evangelical preacher preaching with enthusiasm have to do with you knowing what Christians secretly think?
And I’ve told you multiple times that I am the time.
And I’ve stated the God need me to stay alive so that I can enjoy my life. God creates things for a reason. The same way that he created our sun to warm our planet. There is a reason for it. Like I said, as an atheist, you’re more than welcome to disregard these reasons and think they’re happy little accidents that mean nothing.
I told you that I just know it. But if that wasn’t good enough for you, I gave you the excited preacher. You don’t have to buy any of it.
But I'm not an atheist, why have you assumed that I am?
Could you explain the reference to the excited preacher? I just don't understand what you mean. Why does preaching with enthusiasm connect to what you know about what Christians think?
They get all pumped up talking about how Jesus is alive and that he’s gonna come back…. You don’t actually think they’re talking about a dude that lived 2000 years ago do ya? Come on! Sometimes you gotta use your head a little bit.
Yes, we Christians (whether excited, or preachers, or not) are indeed talking about "a dude that lived 2000 years ago."
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
But why is your God so ineffectual?
As I’ve told you five times now, my God is in perfect.
Yet capable of creating the universe?
Without skinned knees there would be no knees at all.
This is ontologically false. Knees have to exist in order to be skinned.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
But why is your God so ineffectual?
As I’ve told you five times now, my God is in perfect.
Yet capable of creating the universe?
Without skinned knees there would be no knees at all.
This is ontologically false. Knees have to exist in order to be skinned.
You missed the point.
Could you explain more, then?
Not really.
So how can you enlighten people if you can't explain your points?
Without skinned knees, there would be no knees at all. I think that’s pretty self-explanatory but if you don’t get it, it’s simply stating that without death there would be no life. Without an end, there is no beginning.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
I'm not a "pseudo-Christian." Nor was Fr. Lemaître. Nor are the countless non-fundamentalist Christians globally who accept the Big Bang theory as how God made the universe.
If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?
You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.
But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?
What theology?
The theology of your worldview.
What would you like to know specifically?
Can you give a synopsis of your theological worldview? How does it fit into Christianity? What about the Trinity? What about Heaven/Hell/an afterlife? Why did God choose to become incarnate if there is no redemptive act involved? Does original sin exist?
I already mentioned that many Christians secretly think “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. They don’t think it’s me. They don’t know who this person is, but they know he exists.
As far as the three God concept. I recognize a creator God. I am God incarnate. Regarding the “Holy Spirit” I think people can receive wisdom from God to discover the truth about life and guide them.
As far as afterlife goes, when you’re dead, you’re dead. There is nothing. I’m the only person that has an “afterlife”.
I told you about five times now there needs to be an incarnation of God to serve as God’s time.
As far as original Sin goes— nature is imperfect.
But why did God need time? Surely God is self-sustaining outside of space and time. Also, why did creation come from the incarnation and not beforehand?
Christians do not secretly believe that “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. That is not a belief that any Christian has. Who has told you that Christians think this? Have any Christians told you that they think this?
The Trinity is not a three God concept.
God is space and I am time.
Together we are one.
No Christian has told me. That’s what makes it a secret.
Yes, I’m aware that the Trinity together makes up one God.
If you and God are one, why do you not seem to know why God does anything? It all seems to be guesswork not actual knowledge.
If it's a secret, how do you know that this is what Christians think?
So far, you haven’t asked me anything about why God does something.
I just know. Have you ever listened to an evangelical preacher preach? They’re a little excited, aren’t they?
I have asked multiple times why God needed to become incarnate in your person, and why God needs you to stay alive.
What does an evangelical preacher preaching with enthusiasm have to do with you knowing what Christians secretly think?
And I’ve told you multiple times that I am the time.
And I’ve stated the God need me to stay alive so that I can enjoy my life. God creates things for a reason. The same way that he created our sun to warm our planet. There is a reason for it. Like I said, as an atheist, you’re more than welcome to disregard these reasons and think they’re happy little accidents that mean nothing.
I told you that I just know it. But if that wasn’t good enough for you, I gave you the excited preacher. You don’t have to buy any of it.
But I'm not an atheist, why have you assumed that I am?
Could you explain the reference to the excited preacher? I just don't understand what you mean. Why does preaching with enthusiasm connect to what you know about what Christians think?
They get all pumped up talking about how Jesus is alive and that he’s gonna come back…. You don’t actually think they’re talking about a dude that lived 2000 years ago do ya? Come on! Sometimes you gotta use your head a little bit.
Yes, we Christians (whether excited, or preachers, or not) are indeed talking about "a dude that lived 2000 years ago."
I don’t doubt some of you are. And you’re one of them.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
I'm not a "pseudo-Christian." Nor was Fr. Lemaître. Nor are the countless non-fundamentalist Christians globally who accept the Big Bang theory as how God made the universe.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
But so do most Christians. Why specify that it's a non-theistic idea?
Because most theists don’t buy into the Big Bang theory
This is not true. Where is your source for this claim?
Where is your source for your claim?
You're the one introducing a claim. The onus is on you to provide evidence.
Why, so you can just dismiss the source as unreliable? And I don’t have a source I just know it.
No? Because according to you, you're trying to tell everyone the truth about God and existence. If you don't have evidence, why should people believe you?
I am curious as to why you made a post about atheists specifically. Surely your ideas are more of a threat to Christianity than atheism?
Are you sure about? If anything, my ideas would strengthen Christianity. Lol
Can you explain how your ideas would strengthen Christianity?
Atheists aren't going to believe in God, whether it's your God or the Christian God. You claiming to be the incarnation of God is not in any way a threat to atheists - it's just another religious belief they don't believe in. Claiming that Jesus was a false Messiah is not something atheists object to.
The lightbulb will go off and they’ll think to themselves oh yeah that’s who Jesus is. Then they will embrace their religion and all the trimmings they go along with like Christmas and Easter. They will rejoice for they will have found the truth. They will keep the secret like the rest of them though.
Since you believe all of reality started forty-five years ago and will blip out again, and apparently without an afterlife for everyone living in it, whenever you die (and you haven't suggested anything like being longer-lived than anyone else), for what, there will be a religious change for... another thirty or forty years? For a total of a century or less?
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
But why is your God so ineffectual?
As I’ve told you five times now, my God is in perfect.
Yet capable of creating the universe?
Without skinned knees there would be no knees at all.
This is ontologically false. Knees have to exist in order to be skinned.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
But why is your God so ineffectual?
As I’ve told you five times now, my God is in perfect.
Yet capable of creating the universe?
Without skinned knees there would be no knees at all.
This is ontologically false. Knees have to exist in order to be skinned.
You missed the point.
Could you explain more, then?
Not really.
So how can you enlighten people if you can't explain your points?
Without skinned knees, there would be no knees at all. I think that’s pretty self-explanatory but if you don’t get it, it’s simply stating that without death there would be no life. Without an end, there is no beginning.
But the example makes no sense. Skinned knees don't cause new knees to be created.
If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?
You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.
But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?
What theology?
The theology of your worldview.
What would you like to know specifically?
Can you give a synopsis of your theological worldview? How does it fit into Christianity? What about the Trinity? What about Heaven/Hell/an afterlife? Why did God choose to become incarnate if there is no redemptive act involved? Does original sin exist?
I already mentioned that many Christians secretly think “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. They don’t think it’s me. They don’t know who this person is, but they know he exists.
As far as the three God concept. I recognize a creator God. I am God incarnate. Regarding the “Holy Spirit” I think people can receive wisdom from God to discover the truth about life and guide them.
As far as afterlife goes, when you’re dead, you’re dead. There is nothing. I’m the only person that has an “afterlife”.
I told you about five times now there needs to be an incarnation of God to serve as God’s time.
As far as original Sin goes— nature is imperfect.
But why did God need time? Surely God is self-sustaining outside of space and time. Also, why did creation come from the incarnation and not beforehand?
Christians do not secretly believe that “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. That is not a belief that any Christian has. Who has told you that Christians think this? Have any Christians told you that they think this?
The Trinity is not a three God concept.
God is space and I am time.
Together we are one.
No Christian has told me. That’s what makes it a secret.
Yes, I’m aware that the Trinity together makes up one God.
If you and God are one, why do you not seem to know why God does anything? It all seems to be guesswork not actual knowledge.
If it's a secret, how do you know that this is what Christians think?
So far, you haven’t asked me anything about why God does something.
I just know. Have you ever listened to an evangelical preacher preach? They’re a little excited, aren’t they?
I have asked multiple times why God needed to become incarnate in your person, and why God needs you to stay alive.
What does an evangelical preacher preaching with enthusiasm have to do with you knowing what Christians secretly think?
And I’ve told you multiple times that I am the time.
And I’ve stated the God need me to stay alive so that I can enjoy my life. God creates things for a reason. The same way that he created our sun to warm our planet. There is a reason for it. Like I said, as an atheist, you’re more than welcome to disregard these reasons and think they’re happy little accidents that mean nothing.
I told you that I just know it. But if that wasn’t good enough for you, I gave you the excited preacher. You don’t have to buy any of it.
But I'm not an atheist, why have you assumed that I am?
Could you explain the reference to the excited preacher? I just don't understand what you mean. Why does preaching with enthusiasm connect to what you know about what Christians think?
They get all pumped up talking about how Jesus is alive and that he’s gonna come back…. You don’t actually think they’re talking about a dude that lived 2000 years ago do ya? Come on! Sometimes you gotta use your head a little bit.
Why did you assume that I'm an atheist?
Believing that Jesus lived 2000 years ago, is alive, and will return? That's extremely basic Christian doctrine. Why does an evangelical preacher being excited about Jesus returning mean that he secretly knows that Jesus was a false Messiah and that the incarnation of God is on Earth now?
OK, so you’re not an atheist.
Sorry, can’t help you there.
But you're the one who connected the excited preacher to knowing that Christians secretly think that God's incarnation is living right now. If you connected those two things, why can't you explain how?
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
I'm not a "pseudo-Christian." Nor was Fr. Lemaître. Nor are the countless non-fundamentalist Christians globally who accept the Big Bang theory as how God made the universe.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
But why is your God so ineffectual?
As I’ve told you five times now, my God is in perfect.
Yet capable of creating the universe?
Without skinned knees there would be no knees at all.
This is ontologically false. Knees have to exist in order to be skinned.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
How come I can imagine a much better God than you? If you are who you claim to be, surely you ought to be able to run rings around anything I can make up. Jesus managed it. Why not you?
The time before 1980 didn’t exist. But you’re welcome to put Jesus on a pedestal.
But why is your God so ineffectual?
As I’ve told you five times now, my God is in perfect.
Yet capable of creating the universe?
Without skinned knees there would be no knees at all.
This is ontologically false. Knees have to exist in order to be skinned.
You missed the point.
Could you explain more, then?
Not really.
So how can you enlighten people if you can't explain your points?
Without skinned knees, there would be no knees at all. I think that’s pretty self-explanatory but if you don’t get it, it’s simply stating that without death there would be no life. Without an end, there is no beginning.
But the example makes no sense. Skinned knees don't cause new knees to be created.
If God is imperfect, doesn't the whole of our theology collapse? Or is this about man creating God in his image and likeness? But that would be anthropology rather than theology, wouldn't it?
You can still recognize an imperfect God and be a good person.
But being a good person or not isn't what's being asked about. How does the theology work?
What theology?
The theology of your worldview.
What would you like to know specifically?
Can you give a synopsis of your theological worldview? How does it fit into Christianity? What about the Trinity? What about Heaven/Hell/an afterlife? Why did God choose to become incarnate if there is no redemptive act involved? Does original sin exist?
I already mentioned that many Christians secretly think “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. They don’t think it’s me. They don’t know who this person is, but they know he exists.
As far as the three God concept. I recognize a creator God. I am God incarnate. Regarding the “Holy Spirit” I think people can receive wisdom from God to discover the truth about life and guide them.
As far as afterlife goes, when you’re dead, you’re dead. There is nothing. I’m the only person that has an “afterlife”.
I told you about five times now there needs to be an incarnation of God to serve as God’s time.
As far as original Sin goes— nature is imperfect.
But why did God need time? Surely God is self-sustaining outside of space and time. Also, why did creation come from the incarnation and not beforehand?
Christians do not secretly believe that “Jesus” walks the Earth and that when he dies all existence will end and begin again. That is not a belief that any Christian has. Who has told you that Christians think this? Have any Christians told you that they think this?
The Trinity is not a three God concept.
God is space and I am time.
Together we are one.
No Christian has told me. That’s what makes it a secret.
Yes, I’m aware that the Trinity together makes up one God.
If you and God are one, why do you not seem to know why God does anything? It all seems to be guesswork not actual knowledge.
If it's a secret, how do you know that this is what Christians think?
So far, you haven’t asked me anything about why God does something.
I just know. Have you ever listened to an evangelical preacher preach? They’re a little excited, aren’t they?
I have asked multiple times why God needed to become incarnate in your person, and why God needs you to stay alive.
What does an evangelical preacher preaching with enthusiasm have to do with you knowing what Christians secretly think?
And I’ve told you multiple times that I am the time.
And I’ve stated the God need me to stay alive so that I can enjoy my life. God creates things for a reason. The same way that he created our sun to warm our planet. There is a reason for it. Like I said, as an atheist, you’re more than welcome to disregard these reasons and think they’re happy little accidents that mean nothing.
I told you that I just know it. But if that wasn’t good enough for you, I gave you the excited preacher. You don’t have to buy any of it.
But I'm not an atheist, why have you assumed that I am?
Could you explain the reference to the excited preacher? I just don't understand what you mean. Why does preaching with enthusiasm connect to what you know about what Christians think?
They get all pumped up talking about how Jesus is alive and that he’s gonna come back…. You don’t actually think they’re talking about a dude that lived 2000 years ago do ya? Come on! Sometimes you gotta use your head a little bit.
Why did you assume that I'm an atheist?
Believing that Jesus lived 2000 years ago, is alive, and will return? That's extremely basic Christian doctrine. Why does an evangelical preacher being excited about Jesus returning mean that he secretly knows that Jesus was a false Messiah and that the incarnation of God is on Earth now?
OK, so you’re not an atheist.
Sorry, can’t help you there.
But you're the one who connected the excited preacher to knowing that Christians secretly think that God's incarnation is living right now. If you connected those two things, why can't you explain how?
It’s just obvious to me. If it’s not obvious to you, I can’t get inside your head and help you.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
But so do most Christians. Why specify that it's a non-theistic idea?
Because most theists don’t buy into the Big Bang theory
This is not true. Where is your source for this claim?
Where is your source for your claim?
You're the one introducing a claim. The onus is on you to provide evidence.
Why, so you can just dismiss the source as unreliable? And I don’t have a source I just know it.
No? Because according to you, you're trying to tell everyone the truth about God and existence. If you don't have evidence, why should people believe you?
I am curious as to why you made a post about atheists specifically. Surely your ideas are more of a threat to Christianity than atheism?
Are you sure about? If anything, my ideas would strengthen Christianity. Lol
Can you explain how your ideas would strengthen Christianity?
Atheists aren't going to believe in God, whether it's your God or the Christian God. You claiming to be the incarnation of God is not in any way a threat to atheists - it's just another religious belief they don't believe in. Claiming that Jesus was a false Messiah is not something atheists object to.
The lightbulb will go off and they’ll think to themselves oh yeah that’s who Jesus is. Then they will embrace their religion and all the trimmings they go along with like Christmas and Easter. They will rejoice for they will have found the truth. They will keep the secret like the rest of them though.
Since you believe all of reality started forty-five years ago and will blip out again, and apparently without an afterlife for everyone living in it, whenever you die (and you haven't suggested anything like being longer-lived than anyone else), for what, there will be a religious change for... another thirty or forty years? For a total of a century or less?
huh?
You've said that the world came into being in 1980, 45 years ago.
You've said that when you die -- and you haven't suggested you will live longer than anyone else -- the world will cease to exist. So we're talking another 50 years or so. 50 + 45 = 95, so about 100 years of total time for the world to exist, give or take.
You've said you're the only one who gets an afterlife.
So if people come to believe in this "truth," then it will affect a very short amount of time, no matter what they think, and they won't carry that into an afterlife either.
Honestly, the whole thing sounds like some version of solipsism. And why would anyone be "rejoicing" about a God like this, frankly? Even their own beloved loved ones, if they died before 1980, would just be imaginary--false implanted memories. What a ghastly universe that would be.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
But so do most Christians. Why specify that it's a non-theistic idea?
Because most theists don’t buy into the Big Bang theory
This is not true. Where is your source for this claim?
Where is your source for your claim?
You're the one introducing a claim. The onus is on you to provide evidence.
Why, so you can just dismiss the source as unreliable? And I don’t have a source I just know it.
No? Because according to you, you're trying to tell everyone the truth about God and existence. If you don't have evidence, why should people believe you?
I am curious as to why you made a post about atheists specifically. Surely your ideas are more of a threat to Christianity than atheism?
Are you sure about? If anything, my ideas would strengthen Christianity. Lol
Can you explain how your ideas would strengthen Christianity?
Atheists aren't going to believe in God, whether it's your God or the Christian God. You claiming to be the incarnation of God is not in any way a threat to atheists - it's just another religious belief they don't believe in. Claiming that Jesus was a false Messiah is not something atheists object to.
The lightbulb will go off and they’ll think to themselves oh yeah that’s who Jesus is. Then they will embrace their religion and all the trimmings they go along with like Christmas and Easter. They will rejoice for they will have found the truth. They will keep the secret like the rest of them though.
Since you believe all of reality started forty-five years ago and will blip out again, and apparently without an afterlife for everyone living in it, whenever you die (and you haven't suggested anything like being longer-lived than anyone else), for what, there will be a religious change for... another thirty or forty years? For a total of a century or less?
huh?
You've said that the world came into being in 1980, 45 years ago.
You've said that when you die -- and you haven't suggested you will live longer than anyone else -- the world will cease to exist. So we're talking another 50 years or so. 50 + 45 = 95, so about 100 years of total time for the world to exist, give or take.
You've said you're the only one who gets an afterlife.
So if people come to believe in this "truth," then it will affect a very short amount of time, no matter what they think, and they won't carry that into an afterlife either.
Honestly, the whole thing sounds like some version of solipsism. And why would anyone be "rejoicing" about a God like this, frankly? Even their own beloved loved ones, if they died before 1980, would just be imaginary--false implanted memories. What a ghastly universe that would be.
Yeah, we live in a ghastly universe my friend. But a beautiful one too.
G.K. Chesterton said, in his excellent book Orthodoxy,
Or it might be the third case, of the madman who called himself Christ. If we said what we felt, we should say, “So you are the Creator and Redeemer of the world: but what a small world it must be! What a little heaven you must inhabit, with angels no bigger than butterflies! How sad it must be to be God; and an inadequate God! Is there really no life fuller and no love more marvellous than yours; and is it really in your small and painful pity that all flesh must put its faith? How much happier you would be, how much more of you there would be, if the hammer of a higher God could smash your small cosmos, scattering the stars like spangles, and leave you in the open, free like other men to look up as well as down!”
With a universe that won't even last a century, and people who don't even get an afterlife after it, this seems like an even tinier cosmos than that.
I'm going to just beg you to look into a therapist, or if you're just trolling, please stop it.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
Not all of them but many do. Why do you think they're is such division In the Church?
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
But Christians do not actually secretly believe the things you say that they do. How would you know anyway? You don't even know God's thoughts.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
Not all of them but many do. Why do you think they're is such division In the Church?
There isn't division in the Church because of a belief in an incarnation of God that appeared in 1980. How do disagreements on sexuality, racism, gender etc relate to that?
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
Not all of them but many do. Why do you think they're is such division In the Church?
There isn't division in the Church because of a belief in an incarnation of God that appeared in 1980. How do disagreements on sexuality, racism, gender etc relate to that?
Those are different reasons why there’s division in the church, but the main reason is around who “Jesus” is and his true power on earth.
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
That sounds like a line of dialogue from some biblical-adjacent 1950s movie epic.
NERO: What? More reportage of incomprehensible ritualism from the catacombs? Why am I paying you men in the intelligence-legions if all you bring me is such laughable debris?
DEBRIEFEE: My Emperor, I've explained to you what Christians secretly believe. Surely that is worth at least modest compensation.
NERO: On the contrary, I now know no more about Christian belief than a Christian knows of proper lust. Guards, send this man back to Rome and have him thrown to the lions!
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
Not all of them but many do. Why do you think they're is such division In the Church?
There isn't division in the Church because of a belief in an incarnation of God that appeared in 1980. How do disagreements on sexuality, racism, gender etc relate to that?
Those are different reasons why there’s division in the church, but the main reason is around who “Jesus” is and his true power on earth.
But nobody in the Church thinks that there's an incarnation of God that is a human on Earth now. Nor do any Christians think that the incarnation of God is related to creation or space-time in the way you suggest it is.
Even Christians who think that Jesus was an ordinary human don't think that some other human was the incarnation of God, they just don't believe that anyone is the human incarnation of God.
You don't seem to be saying that your role is a Messianic one. Even Christians who believe that Jesus was purely human believe that Jesus played a Messianic role - an Incarnation who is not the Messiah is utterly pointless within a Christian worldview.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
Not all of them but many do. Why do you think they're is such division In the Church?
There isn't division in the Church because of a belief in an incarnation of God that appeared in 1980. How do disagreements on sexuality, racism, gender etc relate to that?
Those are different reasons why there’s division in the church, but the main reason is around who “Jesus” is and his true power on earth.
But nobody in the Church thinks that there's an incarnation of God that is a human on Earth now. Nor do any Christians think that the incarnation of God is related to creation or space-time in the way you suggest it is.
Even Christians who think that Jesus was an ordinary human don't think that some other human was the incarnation of God, they just don't believe that anyone is the human incarnation of God.
You don't seem to be saying that your role is a Messianic one. Even Christians who believe that Jesus was purely human believe that Jesus played a Messianic role - an Incarnation who is not the Messiah is utterly pointless within a Christian worldview.
Well, if you want to continue to think that Christians believe a man that died 2000 years ago is in heaven now at the right seat of the father, waiting to judge the world and bring forth a new heaven and new Earth (whatever that means), then be my guest.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
Not all of them but many do. Why do you think they're is such division In the Church?
There isn't division in the Church because of a belief in an incarnation of God that appeared in 1980. How do disagreements on sexuality, racism, gender etc relate to that?
Those are different reasons why there’s division in the church, but the main reason is around who “Jesus” is and his true power on earth.
But nobody in the Church thinks that there's an incarnation of God that is a human on Earth now. Nor do any Christians think that the incarnation of God is related to creation or space-time in the way you suggest it is.
Even Christians who think that Jesus was an ordinary human don't think that some other human was the incarnation of God, they just don't believe that anyone is the human incarnation of God.
You don't seem to be saying that your role is a Messianic one. Even Christians who believe that Jesus was purely human believe that Jesus played a Messianic role - an Incarnation who is not the Messiah is utterly pointless within a Christian worldview.
Well, if you want to continue to think that Christians believe a man that died 2000 years ago is in heaven now at the right seat of the father, waiting to judge the world and bring forth a new heaven and new Earth (whatever that means), then be my guest.
That's part of basic Christian theology, more or less, yeah.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
Not all of them but many do. Why do you think they're is such division In the Church?
There isn't division in the Church because of a belief in an incarnation of God that appeared in 1980. How do disagreements on sexuality, racism, gender etc relate to that?
Those are different reasons why there’s division in the church, but the main reason is around who “Jesus” is and his true power on earth.
But nobody in the Church thinks that there's an incarnation of God that is a human on Earth now. Nor do any Christians think that the incarnation of God is related to creation or space-time in the way you suggest it is.
Even Christians who think that Jesus was an ordinary human don't think that some other human was the incarnation of God, they just don't believe that anyone is the human incarnation of God.
You don't seem to be saying that your role is a Messianic one. Even Christians who believe that Jesus was purely human believe that Jesus played a Messianic role - an Incarnation who is not the Messiah is utterly pointless within a Christian worldview.
Well, if you want to continue to think that Christians believe a man that died 2000 years ago is in heaven now at the right seat of the father, waiting to judge the world and bring forth a new heaven and new Earth (whatever that means), then be my guest.
That's part of basic Christian theology, more or less, yeah.
Pretty tangential, but for anyone interested, Jenny Diski's 2011 London Review of Books article The Three Christs Of Ypsilanti is still accessible without a paywall.
Touches extensively, though politely, on Epihanic issues. And I haven't read the whole thing myself, so can't vouch for the overarching ideology, but it's the LRB, so shouldn't be too many surprises. Interesting reply from Szasz in the letters.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
Not all of them but many do. Why do you think they're is such division In the Church?
There isn't division in the Church because of a belief in an incarnation of God that appeared in 1980. How do disagreements on sexuality, racism, gender etc relate to that?
Those are different reasons why there’s division in the church, but the main reason is around who “Jesus” is and his true power on earth.
But nobody in the Church thinks that there's an incarnation of God that is a human on Earth now. Nor do any Christians think that the incarnation of God is related to creation or space-time in the way you suggest it is.
Even Christians who think that Jesus was an ordinary human don't think that some other human was the incarnation of God, they just don't believe that anyone is the human incarnation of God.
You don't seem to be saying that your role is a Messianic one. Even Christians who believe that Jesus was purely human believe that Jesus played a Messianic role - an Incarnation who is not the Messiah is utterly pointless within a Christian worldview.
Well, if you want to continue to think that Christians believe a man that died 2000 years ago is in heaven now at the right seat of the father, waiting to judge the world and bring forth a new heaven and new Earth (whatever that means), then be my guest.
Why would it be a problem for you if Christians did believe that?
Pretty tangential, but for anyone interested, Jenny Diski's 2011 London Review of Books article The Three Christs Of Ypsilanti is still accessible without a paywall.
Touches extensively, though politely, on Epihanic issues. And I haven't read the whole thing myself, so can't vouch for the overarching ideology, but it's the LRB, so shouldn't be too many surprises. Interesting reply from Szasz in the letters.
Cool. I’ve never heard of it. I just looked it up. They made a movie: Three Christs starring Peter Dinklage. I love Peter Dinklage. I’m gonna check it out. Thanks for the info.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
Not all of them but many do. Why do you think they're is such division In the Church?
There isn't division in the Church because of a belief in an incarnation of God that appeared in 1980. How do disagreements on sexuality, racism, gender etc relate to that?
Those are different reasons why there’s division in the church, but the main reason is around who “Jesus” is and his true power on earth.
But nobody in the Church thinks that there's an incarnation of God that is a human on Earth now. Nor do any Christians think that the incarnation of God is related to creation or space-time in the way you suggest it is.
Even Christians who think that Jesus was an ordinary human don't think that some other human was the incarnation of God, they just don't believe that anyone is the human incarnation of God.
You don't seem to be saying that your role is a Messianic one. Even Christians who believe that Jesus was purely human believe that Jesus played a Messianic role - an Incarnation who is not the Messiah is utterly pointless within a Christian worldview.
Well, if you want to continue to think that Christians believe a man that died 2000 years ago is in heaven now at the right seat of the father, waiting to judge the world and bring forth a new heaven and new Earth (whatever that means), then be my guest.
Why would it be a problem for you if Christians did believe that?
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
Not all of them but many do. Why do you think they're is such division In the Church?
There isn't division in the Church because of a belief in an incarnation of God that appeared in 1980. How do disagreements on sexuality, racism, gender etc relate to that?
Those are different reasons why there’s division in the church, but the main reason is around who “Jesus” is and his true power on earth.
But nobody in the Church thinks that there's an incarnation of God that is a human on Earth now. Nor do any Christians think that the incarnation of God is related to creation or space-time in the way you suggest it is.
Even Christians who think that Jesus was an ordinary human don't think that some other human was the incarnation of God, they just don't believe that anyone is the human incarnation of God.
You don't seem to be saying that your role is a Messianic one. Even Christians who believe that Jesus was purely human believe that Jesus played a Messianic role - an Incarnation who is not the Messiah is utterly pointless within a Christian worldview.
Well, if you want to continue to think that Christians believe a man that died 2000 years ago is in heaven now at the right seat of the father, waiting to judge the world and bring forth a new heaven and new Earth (whatever that means), then be my guest.
Why would it be a problem for you if Christians did believe that?
No problem for me. They can believe what they want.
You see Christians are aware that someone like me is not Jesus. They don’t view someone like me as Jesus.. They keep that secret to themselves. The ones that do know the truth.
They simply see me as a man on earth whose appearance/death rises and falls with all existence.
But who the hell would wanna give up Christmas and Easter and all the goodies? Lol. Churches are beautiful too. Haha plus Christianity makes explaining death and the afterlife a lot easier to young children.
Here’s a snippet from my website page titled secret.
When a child asks a parent, “What happens when you die?” the parent often responds that the deceased go to be with God. It’s a comforting answer, but what else could they say? That nothing happens, but there’s a man on Earth who is God incarnate, orchestrating existence, and upon his death, all reality will reset to 1980 with him reborn as a child? I think not. Yet, this unspoken knowledge sustains the Christian narrative. Cultural traditions like Christmas further reinforce this, weaving a story that’s easier to accept than to challenge. Every culture has its way of shielding children from such unsettling ideas, preserving faith through simplified tales of the afterlife.
You only live once. As human beings, we can recognize the cycles as being eternal, but God does not. The only thing to truly ever exist is the here and now.
Pretty tangential, but for anyone interested, Jenny Diski's 2011 London Review of Books article The Three Christs Of Ypsilanti is still accessible without a paywall.
Touches extensively, though politely, on Epihanic issues. And I haven't read the whole thing myself, so can't vouch for the overarching ideology, but it's the LRB, so shouldn't be too many surprises. Interesting reply from Szasz in the letters.
Cool. I’ve never heard of it. I just looked it up. They made a movie: Three Christs starring Peter Dinklage. I love Peter Dinklage. I’m gonna check it out. Thanks for the info.
You're welcome. I didn't know about the film, so thanks for bringing that to my attention.
You've pretty much left me behind here. I will have to work on the fact that my 1963 Triumph Vitesse never existed. And I thought it was such a great car.
You've pretty much left me behind here. I will have to work on the fact that my 1963 Triumph Vitesse never existed. And I thought it was such a great car.
It turns out creating memories was a part of creating all existence.
Pretty tangential, but for anyone interested, Jenny Diski's 2011 London Review of Books article The Three Christs Of Ypsilanti is still accessible without a paywall.
Touches extensively, though politely, on Epihanic issues. And I haven't read the whole thing myself, so can't vouch for the overarching ideology, but it's the LRB, so shouldn't be too many surprises. Interesting reply from Szasz in the letters.
Cool. I’ve never heard of it. I just looked it up. They made a movie: Three Christs starring Peter Dinklage. I love Peter Dinklage. I’m gonna check it out. Thanks for the info.
You're welcome. I didn't know about the film, so thanks for bringing that to my attention.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
Not all of them but many do. Why do you think they're is such division In the Church?
There isn't division in the Church because of a belief in an incarnation of God that appeared in 1980. How do disagreements on sexuality, racism, gender etc relate to that?
Those are different reasons why there’s division in the church, but the main reason is around who “Jesus” is and his true power on earth.
But nobody in the Church thinks that there's an incarnation of God that is a human on Earth now. Nor do any Christians think that the incarnation of God is related to creation or space-time in the way you suggest it is.
Even Christians who think that Jesus was an ordinary human don't think that some other human was the incarnation of God, they just don't believe that anyone is the human incarnation of God.
You don't seem to be saying that your role is a Messianic one. Even Christians who believe that Jesus was purely human believe that Jesus played a Messianic role - an Incarnation who is not the Messiah is utterly pointless within a Christian worldview.
Well, if you want to continue to think that Christians believe a man that died 2000 years ago is in heaven now at the right seat of the father, waiting to judge the world and bring forth a new heaven and new Earth (whatever that means), then be my guest.
Pretty tangential, but for anyone interested, Jenny Diski's 2011 London Review of Books article The Three Christs Of Ypsilanti is still accessible without a paywall.
Touches extensively, though politely, on Epihanic issues. And I haven't read the whole thing myself, so can't vouch for the overarching ideology, but it's the LRB, so shouldn't be too many surprises. Interesting reply from Szasz in the letters.
Cool. I’ve never heard of it. I just looked it up. They made a movie: Three Christs starring Peter Dinklage. I love Peter Dinklage. I’m gonna check it out. Thanks for the info.
You're welcome. I didn't know about the film, so thanks for bringing that to my attention.
You also still haven't explained why you think the Big Bang is an inherently atheist concept.
Most atheist believe in it
Most Christians do, too.
Pseudo christians do
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
Not all of them but many do. Why do you think they're is such division In the Church?
There isn't division in the Church because of a belief in an incarnation of God that appeared in 1980. How do disagreements on sexuality, racism, gender etc relate to that?
Those are different reasons why there’s division in the church, but the main reason is around who “Jesus” is and his true power on earth.
But nobody in the Church thinks that there's an incarnation of God that is a human on Earth now. Nor do any Christians think that the incarnation of God is related to creation or space-time in the way you suggest it is.
Even Christians who think that Jesus was an ordinary human don't think that some other human was the incarnation of God, they just don't believe that anyone is the human incarnation of God.
You don't seem to be saying that your role is a Messianic one. Even Christians who believe that Jesus was purely human believe that Jesus played a Messianic role - an Incarnation who is not the Messiah is utterly pointless within a Christian worldview.
Well, if you want to continue to think that Christians believe a man that died 2000 years ago is in heaven now at the right seat of the father, waiting to judge the world and bring forth a new heaven and new Earth (whatever that means), then be my guest.
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That's simply untrue.
Pseudo christians do
Why did you assume that I'm an atheist?
Believing that Jesus lived 2000 years ago, is alive, and will return? That's extremely basic Christian doctrine. Why does an evangelical preacher being excited about Jesus returning mean that he secretly knows that Jesus was a false Messiah and that the incarnation of God is on Earth now?
So how can you enlighten people if you can't explain your points?
Since you believe all of reality started forty-five years ago and will blip out again, and apparently without an afterlife for everyone living in it, whenever you die (and you haven't suggested anything like being longer-lived than anyone else), for what, there will be a religious change for... another thirty or forty years? For a total of a century or less?
Why does it make them pseudo-Christians?
OK, so you’re not an atheist.
Sorry, can’t help you there.
Yes, we Christians (whether excited, or preachers, or not) are indeed talking about "a dude that lived 2000 years ago."
Without skinned knees, there would be no knees at all. I think that’s pretty self-explanatory but if you don’t get it, it’s simply stating that without death there would be no life. Without an end, there is no beginning.
I'm not a "pseudo-Christian." Nor was Fr. Lemaître. Nor are the countless non-fundamentalist Christians globally who accept the Big Bang theory as how God made the universe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaître
Because they haven’t fully understood the truth
I don’t doubt some of you are. And you’re one of them.
ok
huh?
But the example makes no sense. Skinned knees don't cause new knees to be created.
What end caused creation to be created?
But you're the one who connected the excited preacher to knowing that Christians secretly think that God's incarnation is living right now. If you connected those two things, why can't you explain how?
Do you think that Fr Lemaître was a pseudo-Christian?
My end
It’s just obvious to me. If it’s not obvious to you, I can’t get inside your head and help you.
You've said that the world came into being in 1980, 45 years ago.
You've said that when you die -- and you haven't suggested you will live longer than anyone else -- the world will cease to exist. So we're talking another 50 years or so. 50 + 45 = 95, so about 100 years of total time for the world to exist, give or take.
You've said you're the only one who gets an afterlife.
So if people come to believe in this "truth," then it will affect a very short amount of time, no matter what they think, and they won't carry that into an afterlife either.
Honestly, the whole thing sounds like some version of solipsism. And why would anyone be "rejoicing" about a God like this, frankly? Even their own beloved loved ones, if they died before 1980, would just be imaginary--false implanted memories. What a ghastly universe that would be.
But your own doctrine doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, so how is what Christians believe relevant? Why do you get to declare some Christians as pseudo-Christians, when you're not actually a Christian anyway?
I’ve explained to you what Christians secretly believe.
Yeah, we live in a ghastly universe my friend. But a beautiful one too.
With a universe that won't even last a century, and people who don't even get an afterlife after it, this seems like an even tinier cosmos than that.
I'm going to just beg you to look into a therapist, or if you're just trolling, please stop it.
No, we don't. We don't at all. This is simply nonsense.
many do, not all
Not all of them but many do. Why do you think they're is such division In the Church?
But Christians do not actually secretly believe the things you say that they do. How would you know anyway? You don't even know God's thoughts.
No, none do.
There isn't division in the Church because of a belief in an incarnation of God that appeared in 1980. How do disagreements on sexuality, racism, gender etc relate to that?
Those are different reasons why there’s division in the church, but the main reason is around who “Jesus” is and his true power on earth.
That sounds like a line of dialogue from some biblical-adjacent 1950s movie epic.
NERO: What? More reportage of incomprehensible ritualism from the catacombs? Why am I paying you men in the intelligence-legions if all you bring me is such laughable debris?
DEBRIEFEE: My Emperor, I've explained to you what Christians secretly believe. Surely that is worth at least modest compensation.
NERO: On the contrary, I now know no more about Christian belief than a Christian knows of proper lust. Guards, send this man back to Rome and have him thrown to the lions!
But nobody in the Church thinks that there's an incarnation of God that is a human on Earth now. Nor do any Christians think that the incarnation of God is related to creation or space-time in the way you suggest it is.
Even Christians who think that Jesus was an ordinary human don't think that some other human was the incarnation of God, they just don't believe that anyone is the human incarnation of God.
You don't seem to be saying that your role is a Messianic one. Even Christians who believe that Jesus was purely human believe that Jesus played a Messianic role - an Incarnation who is not the Messiah is utterly pointless within a Christian worldview.
Well, if you want to continue to think that Christians believe a man that died 2000 years ago is in heaven now at the right seat of the father, waiting to judge the world and bring forth a new heaven and new Earth (whatever that means), then be my guest.
That's part of basic Christian theology, more or less, yeah.
yup
Touches extensively, though politely, on Epihanic issues. And I haven't read the whole thing myself, so can't vouch for the overarching ideology, but it's the LRB, so shouldn't be too many surprises. Interesting reply from Szasz in the letters.
Why would it be a problem for you if Christians did believe that?
Cool. I’ve never heard of it. I just looked it up. They made a movie: Three Christs starring Peter Dinklage. I love Peter Dinklage. I’m gonna check it out. Thanks for the info.
No problem for me. They can believe what they want.
They simply see me as a man on earth whose appearance/death rises and falls with all existence.
But who the hell would wanna give up Christmas and Easter and all the goodies? Lol. Churches are beautiful too. Haha plus Christianity makes explaining death and the afterlife a lot easier to young children.
When a child asks a parent, “What happens when you die?” the parent often responds that the deceased go to be with God. It’s a comforting answer, but what else could they say? That nothing happens, but there’s a man on Earth who is God incarnate, orchestrating existence, and upon his death, all reality will reset to 1980 with him reborn as a child? I think not. Yet, this unspoken knowledge sustains the Christian narrative. Cultural traditions like Christmas further reinforce this, weaving a story that’s easier to accept than to challenge. Every culture has its way of shielding children from such unsettling ideas, preserving faith through simplified tales of the afterlife.
You're welcome. I didn't know about the film, so thanks for bringing that to my attention.
It turns out creating memories was a part of creating all existence.
Sure
I will, thank you!
First sensible thing you've said all day.
Sure
Lol