Donald ******* Trump

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  • stetson wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    He likes the deep philosophers, like Norman Vincent Peale!
    I find this from the Wikipedia article on Norman Vincent Peale interesting:
    Despite arguing at times against involvement of clergy in politics, he nevertheless had some controversial affiliations with politically active organizations in the late 1930s, and engaged with national political candidates and their campaigns, having influence on some, including personal friendships with Presidents Richard Nixon and Donald Trump.
    Nixon and Trump. I think that says enough.

    I would read into the record that Trump was nowhere near elected office at any point during Peale's lifetime, . . . .
    Sure, but he was an influence on a young Donald Trump.


  • Trump’s paternal grandfather was from Kallstadt, in south-western Germany. He left Germany for America to avoid the draft.
  • There have recently been some references on YouTube political cartoon channels to Trump declaring the Moon to be US property (the 51st state, as he can't get Canada?).

    Has he actually, and seriously, said this?
  • There have recently been some references on YouTube political cartoon channels to Trump declaring the Moon to be US property (the 51st state, as he can't get Canada?).

    Has he actually, and seriously, said this?

    He posted a Truth Social last week with a picture of the moon with Earth in the background, captioned THE MOON IS OURS with a small US flag appended.

    So, yes, he has informally made the claim, but nothing else. I wonder if this is the sorta top-level inside info that Truth Social is charging 100 grand a month to preview.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited September 13
    There have recently been some references on YouTube political cartoon channels to Trump declaring the Moon to be US property (the 51st state, as he can't get Canada?).

    Has he actually, and seriously, said this?
    Not in so many words. He posted a picture of the moon with the words “The Moon Is Ours” and an American flag on Truth Social. That was the extent of it; no executive order or anything like that.

    As for whether he’s serious, who knows. I think he’s serious about trying to make sure people are talking about anything other than the economy, the price of gas, tariffs, the war in Iran, ICE, Cuba, Trump’s self-enrichment, Epstein . . . .

    And people take the bait every time.


  • Thank you, both. The fact that it's probably another distraction from The War, The Files etc. hadn't escaped me...
    :wink:
  • And guess what? Ukraine is responsible for the worldwide shortage of diesel fuel.
  • And guess what? Ukraine is responsible for the worldwide shortage of diesel fuel.

    Let me get this straight.
    Russian tanks run on diesel fuel.
    Ukraine has every right to defend itself
    by destroying enemy fuel stockpiles.

    Seems like Mr T. wants Ukraine to fight
    with one arm tied behind its back.

    Oh, wait, it is already fighting
    with one arm behind its back.

    Might as well tie down one leg too.
  • I swear, I think that if Donald Trump issued an Executive Order declaring himself Dictator For Life and suspending the operation of the Constitution, Alito and Thomas would write an opinion saying that that is fully within Trump's powers as President.
  • Yeah, pretty much.

  • So the big baby-in-chief has closed the Kennedy Center because those big bad judges won't let him put his name on it.

    Blaming, of course, everyone but himself. The Kennedy Center is on the brink of bankruptcy not because he can't have his name on it, but precisely because putting his name on it has resulted in act cancellations and canceled subscriptions.
  • My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings!
    Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair...
  • Priceless!!
  • Thank you, Miss Amanda...
    :lol:
  • And now, the Don has announced he has reached agreement with Denmark and Greenland to take over the security of the arctic island. My question is, didn't we have such an agreement since 1951? About the only change I am aware of is a stipulation that non NATO countries will not be allowed to invest in Greenland without the consent of all the signatories. Politico's report

    Also, Grump has banned MS NOW, CNN, and Politico from the White House Press Room.

    Do I smell another lawsuit?
  • It might pay to read this BBC report especially the second paragraph referring to “all other needs”, which can’t possibly include minerals and the like, except in the mind of the Orange Toddler.

    Still, this deal or whatever it is remains to be ratified by the Greenland Parliament.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited September 19
    sionisais wrote: »
    It might pay to read this BBC report especially the second paragraph referring to “all other needs”, which can’t possibly include minerals and the like, except in the mind of the Orange Toddler.

    Still, this deal or whatever it is remains to be ratified by the Greenland Parliament.

    My semi-educated guess is that this is mostly just a tweaking of the existing status quo, which Trump is trying to sell to his low-info base as some crushing American victory against Denmark.

    I mean, Russia and China can't have military bases in Greenland? Pretty sure that was already a rather unlikely possibility in NATO territory.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    sionisais wrote: »
    It might pay to read this BBC report especially the second paragraph referring to “all other needs”, which can’t possibly include minerals and the like, except in the mind of the Orange Toddler.

    Still, this deal or whatever it is remains to be ratified by the Greenland Parliament.

    My semi-educated guess is that this is mostly just a tweaking of the existing status quo, which Trump is trying to sell to his low-info base as some crushing American victory against Denmark.

    I mean, Russia and China can't have military bases in Greenland? Pretty sure that was already a rather unlikely possibility in NATO territory.

    I think the issue is more to China or Russia mining for Greenland's minerals.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited 1:35AM
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    sionisais wrote: »
    It might pay to read this BBC report especially the second paragraph referring to “all other needs”, which can’t possibly include minerals and the like, except in the mind of the Orange Toddler.

    Still, this deal or whatever it is remains to be ratified by the Greenland Parliament.

    My semi-educated guess is that this is mostly just a tweaking of the existing status quo, which Trump is trying to sell to his low-info base as some crushing American victory against Denmark.

    I mean, Russia and China can't have military bases in Greenland? Pretty sure that was already a rather unlikely possibility in NATO territory.

    I think the issue is more to China or Russia mining for Greenland's minerals.

    True. Moreso, anyway.

    Thing is, when Trump took over in 2024, Greenland had a separatist territorial government who were keen on inviting in American robber barons. Then he totally discredited the separatist option by becoming its loudest and most ill-mannered champion on the global stage.

    Maybe it really WAS all some 33D kabalistic chess strategy to get the pro-extraction but possibly unreliable left-wing separatists in Nuuk outta the way, and then pressure the comparatively conservative colonial administration in Copenhagen into granting concessions GUARANTEEING no similar goodies for the Eurasian bloc?

    Given that European opinion right now is probably more hostile to Putin than US opinion is, one would think it unlikely they'd be inviting Russian oligarchs into their colonies anyway, but who knows. China was making a few inroads into Canada's oil patch back in the 2010s, so I guess that could be a thing in Greenland as well.
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