Purgatory: Coronavirus

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  • Penny SPenny S Shipmate
    I noticed cat litter had gone quite early, and couldn't explain it. Don't know it was Fullers Earth, though, which is absorbent in a way some of the litters are not.
    I have a pack of the Fullers Earth which I got after an accident had soiled the stair carpet, but haven't needed since. I can't quite see it being useful for personal care, though.
  • Our small town market will gather your grocery needs if you call and bring them out to your curb side car. Our neighbors have also offered to do errands for us if needed. The local feed store will also deliver dog food and other animal supplies. I get an organic veggie and fruit box twice a month along with farmers eggs. I am not sure if that will continue. Tomorrow county goes on total lock down in homes except for grocery, gas, repair people, medical and pharmacy. All routine doctor's visits have been cancelled. I had already cancelled mine. I am cleaning things long neglected, taking two online classes, one art and the other Bible, Mr Image and I have gotten out the games and deck of cards. I have a nice library to re-read and I text my family. It is cold and rainy but when the sun comes out there is always the weeds and the garden. The dog and I take a walk each morning down to get our mail. I have a feeling this is going to be life for several months. Thank goodness for the internet.
  • I have a feeling this is going to be life for several months.

    This is the thought I am struggling with the most. I generally get through the unremitting shittiness of daily life by looking forward to the next treat day, event or outing but now there are none available, and may not be for some time. No sport, no socialising, no spa days, no concerts, no pubs, no railway journeys. Nothing I actually enjoy doing at all. Nothing to look forward to.

    It’s going to be very, very hard. Right now I’m honestly not sure if I can do it.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    I have a feeling this is going to be life for several months.

    This is the thought I am struggling with the most. I generally get through the unremitting shittiness of daily life by looking forward to the next treat day, event or outing but now there are none available, and may not be for some time. No sport, no socialising, no spa days, no concerts, no pubs, no railway journeys. Nothing I actually enjoy doing at all. Nothing to look forward to.

    It’s going to be very, very hard. Right now I’m honestly not sure if I can do it.

    Yes.

    We had a trip to Heidelberg for DILs birthday in April, a family trip to Berlin in May, a hiking holiday in the Yorkshire Dales in June - and on and on.

    But —— then a film comes on TV from South Africa showing a township where the only loos are shared portaloos and the only water is a shared tap for the whole area.

    And I stop being sorry for myself and start feeling grateful.

  • Yeah, you can do it Marvin. Pretend you're a monk, and see if you can turn it into a long spiritual discipline. I mean it - I'd like to do that, but my kids are going to pile on the penitence and leave me less room for silence and gloomy contemplation...

    The decorating shop was nuts - a long queue (only 3 in the shop at once, and the queue behaved itself and stayed well spread out) so everyone is planning to get the place looking nice while at home...and survive, I guess! I also went nuts in the skip at work - work (university) closes tomorrow entirely - so I have enough raw materials to make some stuff.

    The guy I work for is recovering in hospital - he passed out while ill at home with fever and fell and bashed his head. Be careful out there, folks.
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    "A well stocked mind is proof against boredom".

    We're re-watching Ally McBeal ..........
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    I have a feeling this is going to be life for several months.

    This is the thought I am struggling with the most. I generally get through the unremitting shittiness of daily life by looking forward to the next treat day, event or outing but now there are none available, and may not be for some time. No sport, no socialising, no spa days, no concerts, no pubs, no railway journeys. Nothing I actually enjoy doing at all. Nothing to look forward to.

    It’s going to be very, very hard. Right now I’m honestly not sure if I can do it.

    Fortunately I have model railways, Disney+ (from next week)*, and tabletop RPGs. And time to do them.

    *no fan of Mouse, Duck or Princesses, but, Star Wars, MCU** etc...

    **You lot already knew I was a geek.
  • TwilightTwilight Shipmate
    Barnabas62 wrote: »
    "A well stocked mind is proof against boredom".

    We're re-watching Ally McBeal ..........

    I got out our, "Lark Rise to Candleford" boxed set.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    I’m to be three days home work, two in the office - it’s going to feel very odd.
  • Dave WDave W Shipmate

    KarlLB wrote: »
    I have a feeling this is going to be life for several months.

    This is the thought I am struggling with the most. I generally get through the unremitting shittiness of daily life by looking forward to the next treat day, event or outing but now there are none available, and may not be for some time. No sport, no socialising, no spa days, no concerts, no pubs, no railway journeys. Nothing I actually enjoy doing at all. Nothing to look forward to.

    It’s going to be very, very hard. Right now I’m honestly not sure if I can do it.

    Fortunately I have model railways, Disney+ (from next week)*, and tabletop RPGs. And time to do them.

    *no fan of Mouse, Duck or Princesses, but, Star Wars, MCU** etc...

    **You lot already knew I was a geek.
    You’ll get to watch the baby Yoda show!
  • DooneDoone Shipmate
    Wow, just wow!
  • A Feminine ForceA Feminine Force Shipmate
    edited March 2020
    I have a feeling that this event is as much a spiritual crisis as it is a health crisis.

    I find myself wondering how people who are not natural introverts like me will be able to weather isolation, solitude, the absence of distraction, the absence of others against whom to project our innermost frailties and insecurities.

    How will the general population weather the forcible turning inward of attention, how will they drown out the screaming of so many unresolved traumas without distraction and interaction?

    This is like a forced retreat. There's a reason why isolation is the worst form of punishment in a penitentiary (funny word).

    I'm OK with it. I personally would prefer isolation to being in the general prison population. I wonder how many would?

    AFF
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    I'm OK with it. I personally would prefer isolation to being in the general prison population. I wonder how many would?
    It really varies. I knew well someone who did six months' straight isolation and emerged relatively unscathed (apart from having had a terrorist mastermind in the next cell who seems to have converted him). I know other people who've gone to pieces in solitary after 48 hours or less.

  • NicoleMRNicoleMR Shipmate
    There is virtual contact as well. I have for some time now made long Skype calls every day to an ex-lover who I am still emotionally connected to. This is helping to keep us both sane now. I phone my brother for a half hour every night, again, human contact keeps me going. And my daughter and I talk now pretty frequently. Add to that occasional calls to friends, facebook, and blogging, and of course, here. And that's keeping me going now.
  • I was about to start some desk-based research for a freelance project but guess what? It's been delayed because of all the upheaval ...

    I do have stuff to do and there's talk of groups forming to support neighbours who might be isolated. I'm involved with town and regional council stuff and we're all anticipating being involved in trying to coordinate volunteers, ensuring that vulnerable people aren't scammed and correcting misinformation. Whether things will work out like that, I don't know.

    I have been going out on Toad Patrol. They are cute little critters and need a hand crossing roads. They don't carry the virus.

    If I do find myself having to stay in I'll declutter. That's long overdue.
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Back on the numbers and death forecasts. Appreciate the risk of further spikes in China but their published death count so far is about 3K and new cases have trended downwards. Seems to speak in favour of draconian means of quarantine.
  • anoesisanoesis Shipmate
    I have a feeling this is going to be life for several months.

    This is the thought I am struggling with the most. I generally get through the unremitting shittiness of daily life by looking forward to the next treat day, event or outing but now there are none available, and may not be for some time. No sport, no socialising, no spa days, no concerts, no pubs, no railway journeys. Nothing I actually enjoy doing at all. Nothing to look forward to.

    It’s going to be very, very hard. Right now I’m honestly not sure if I can do it.

    I do hear you, but I suspect that what will happen, if gradually, is that your [and others] parameters for what constitutes a treat or a morale booster will alter, along with the circumstances. I presume you're old enough to have memories of an older relative waxing lyrical about how they used to get an orange for Christmas? An orange, for fuck's sake. From where I'm sitting, that seems an impossible thing to get excited about, but for my Dad, it was exciting enough to still be banging on about fifty years later.

    In short, yes, it's going to be very, very hard. But a.)it's a point in your favour that you realise this and are not hiding your head in the sand, and b.)you will likely turn out to be more resilient and resourceful than you know.
  • Well given my father's home village raffled a lemon during World War II, I can imagine the excitement of an orange (admittedly I remember fondly the mandarin in the bottom of my stocking). BTW some SF writers have started the Decameron Project which is posting one short story a day (each by a different author). There are three stories so far.
  • As someone who gains her energy from being alone I am mindful that those who gain their energy from being more socially engaged may feel a bit overwhelmed in this adventure of a stay in place crisis. Please know I am thinking of you and are in this sailing along together. I know in person non on the ship but still feel connected to so many.
  • MiliMili Shipmate
    I felt a bit down when I decided to skip out on lots of things, but within a week everything was cancelled anyway. However my bible study is using Zoom to meet online and had our first event last night. It was really cheering and encouraging. We even sang worship songs, though with everyone muted except the worship leader, as otherwise the lag makes everyone's singing sound terrible. Zoom, Skype and similar could be ways for hobby groups, families to continue to meet as long as the internet holds up with all the extra work and social video conferencing.
  • @Gamma Gamaliel wrote:

    I have been going out on Toad Patrol. They are cute little critters and need a hand crossing roads. They don't carry the virus.

    *waves*
    Well given my father's home village raffled a lemon during World War II, I can imagine the excitement of an orange (admittedly I remember fondly the mandarin in the bottom of my stocking). BTW some SF writers have started the Decameron Project which is posting one short story a day (each by a different author). There are three stories so far.

    My wife and I keep a pineapple on the mantlepiece to show off our wealth to visitors. It gets a bit whiffy....
  • Boogie wrote: »
    I have a feeling this is going to be life for several months.

    This is the thought I am struggling with the most. I generally get through the unremitting shittiness of daily life by looking forward to the next treat day, event or outing but now there are none available, and may not be for some time. No sport, no socialising, no spa days, no concerts, no pubs, no railway journeys. Nothing I actually enjoy doing at all. Nothing to look forward to.

    It’s going to be very, very hard. Right now I’m honestly not sure if I can do it.

    Yes.

    We had a trip to Heidelberg for DILs birthday in April, a family trip to Berlin in May, a hiking holiday in the Yorkshire Dales in June - and on and on.

    But —— then a film comes on TV from South Africa showing a township where the only loos are shared portaloos and the only water is a shared tap for the whole area.

    And I stop being sorry for myself and start feeling grateful.

    That’s really helpful, in much the same way that a broken leg is helped by considering how many people on the world don’t have legs at all.
  • As someone who gains her energy from being alone I am mindful that those who gain their energy from being more socially engaged may feel a bit overwhelmed in this adventure of a stay in place crisis. Please know I am thinking of you and are in this sailing along together. I know in person non on the ship but still feel connected to so many.

    I feel a bit guilty, as I'm used to spending time alone, although I am married. But my social life has diminished a lot in the last few years, and I am happy going for walks, gardening, etc. Hoping everybody finds stuff to do, and feels fit.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Boogie wrote: »
    I have a feeling this is going to be life for several months.

    This is the thought I am struggling with the most. I generally get through the unremitting shittiness of daily life by looking forward to the next treat day, event or outing but now there are none available, and may not be for some time. No sport, no socialising, no spa days, no concerts, no pubs, no railway journeys. Nothing I actually enjoy doing at all. Nothing to look forward to.

    It’s going to be very, very hard. Right now I’m honestly not sure if I can do it.

    Yes.

    We had a trip to Heidelberg for DILs birthday in April, a family trip to Berlin in May, a hiking holiday in the Yorkshire Dales in June - and on and on.

    But —— then a film comes on TV from South Africa showing a township where the only loos are shared portaloos and the only water is a shared tap for the whole area.

    And I stop being sorry for myself and start feeling grateful.

    That’s really helpful, in much the same way that a broken leg is helped by considering how many people on the world don’t have legs at all.

    Would it help if I told you that worse things happen at sea?
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    I'm an introvert, but the thought of being shut into in my flat on my own fills me with dread, I'll go stir crazy in a couple of days. Because, although I like to be on my own most of the time there are a) times when I need some limited interaction (even just saying "good morning" to people at work), b) I need to be doing something, a variety of somethings - my ideal relaxation would be spending a day in a good museum, exploring an old castle, strolling across hills ... then an hour with a good book at the end of the day.

    I hope that the government has also got plans for a massive investment into mental health services, those are going to be needed as much as ventilators.
  • I'm an introvert, but the thought of being shut into in my flat on my own fills me with dread, I'll go stir crazy in a couple of days. Because, although I like to be on my own most of the time there are a) times when I need some limited interaction (even just saying "good morning" to people at work), b) I need to be doing something, a variety of somethings - my ideal relaxation would be spending a day in a good museum, exploring an old castle, strolling across hills ... then an hour with a good book at the end of the day.

    I hope that the government has also got plans for a massive investment into mental health services, those are going to be needed as much as ventilators.

    We are startlingly similar (sorry). I am a massive introvert - I absolutely need to retreat at times of stress. But, until I met my wife 6 years ago I was on my own a lot and I learnt that long periods of being on my own and not seeing anyone were bad for me.

    I am very blessed by my family who allow me to be introverted and hide away but are also close when I need and by the fact that my work continues - I still have to go to work!

    But yeah, a lot of people are going to struggle in the weeks ahead.

    Do not misunderstand me; social isolation measures are absolutely vital but there will be a cost for many and a consequential need for healthcare resources.

    AFZ
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    We don't get properly funded mental health care even in normal times. The chances of anything more than advice to "buck up" from this government are slim.
  • We don't get properly funded mental health care even in normal times. The chances of anything more than advice to "buck up" from this government are slim.

    Indeed
  • I am currently self isolating with 3 other people in the house as my 15 year old had a cough on Tuesday (I currently have a headache and mild sore throat and fever, very mild and I’m not even sure it is the virus). I am an introvert with bipolar disorder who works from home and usually have the house to myself, which is great for my hypomania. I think I’ll be escaping to the garden a lot.
    Re: children and Coronavirus, my son had a cough but is otherwise well. Likewise, two of his friends are off sick with coughs but are also well enough to be playing online with him. If they are representative of symptomatic children, let alone asymptomatic, then I would suggest that at risk groups stay well clear of children as it must be rife among them. On Wednesday, 13% of his school was off.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    We don't get properly funded mental health care even in normal times. The chances of anything more than advice to "buck up" from this government are slim.

    Indeed
    The Parliament Petitions committee have received several different petitions re: covid-19 and decided to hold a single special meeting to put them to the government at once. They've also asked for specific questions (link to survey where you can add a question), so I've just asked what extra provision for mental health is going to be provided. If the answer is "buck up" then that's going to be remembered come the next election.

    I've also decided to make a donation to The Samaritans, their services are going to be in even greater demand over the next few months.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Nearly all the coughs and fevers people - especially children - may develop are not Coronavirus. Only a small percentage of even suspected cases which go to testing actually test positive. The problem is you don't know. I'm in the same boat but with only eight confirmed cases in the county the odds the kids actually have/had Coronovirus are almost infinitesimal.
  • EutychusEutychus Shipmate
    Which is why it seems to me that the WHO's "test, test, test" advice makes a lot of sense. The more tests can be done, the more you know what you're dealing with and where.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    edited March 2020
    We don't get properly funded mental health care even in normal times. The chances of anything more than advice to "buck up" from this government are slim.

    They'll float a media trial balloon via 'Whitehall sources' that people need to "buck up" - they'll do this at 11pm, because clearly the virus has a media grid of its own and you need to get ahead of it.

    On a possibly related note; it appears that the planned closures and practice mergers are still going ahead during the crisis.
  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Purgatory Host, Circus Host
    My experience of trauma is that you can put up with far more than you realise, for far longer than you realise.

    My other lesson from drawn-out trauma: one day at a time.
  • Kids are highly unlikely to be tested as they have mild symptoms so they won’t be in any stats. We really don’t know the extent.
    I also have 2 friends who almost certainly did have it a few weeks ago (fever, sore throat, shortness of breath) yet were untested. At that time there were only 4 confirmed cases locally.
  • are you in pommyland, Heavenlyannie?
  • HeavenlyannieHeavenlyannie Shipmate
    edited March 2020
    Yes, Cambridge, UK. My situation is odd as I work for the Open university so teaching online is normal. But I teach Health and Social Care (I’m an ex-nurse) so my students are finding life very difficult at present as most of them work full or part time while studying and a lot have families to look after too.
  • From the comments, I get the idea that you guys are going to be forced to stay at home, so that Alan, for instance, can't take country walks. Hmmm. We are just at stay home if you know you have been exposed to a confirmed Covid 19 case, not if you just have a cold. You only get tested if you are symptomatic and have been exposed.
  • Gov advice, I believe, is that we can go for lone walks, even when self-isolating, as long as we maintain distance.
  • I hope that the government has also got plans for a massive investment into mental health services, those are going to be needed as much as ventilators.
    You can hope in vain. The elder Miss M is a mental health professional. They have all been called into health hubs to treat physical illnesses … no visits in the community.

    God help those poor souls in need.

  • Kids are highly unlikely to be tested as they have mild symptoms so they won’t be in any stats. We really don’t know the extent.
    I also have 2 friends who almost certainly did have it a few weeks ago (fever, sore throat, shortness of breath) yet were untested. At that time there were only 4 confirmed cases locally.

    Addenbrookes are bound to mess it up on past experience
  • Health and Social Care (I’m an ex-nurse) so my students are finding life very difficult at present as most of them work full or part time while studying and a lot have families to look after too.
    Interesting. My eldest daughter graduated from the OU a year or so ago and has been asked - and is now doing - some reviews on exams and questions for the OU. PM me and perhaps you'll know each other?

  • Gov advice, I believe, is that we can go for lone walks, even when self-isolating, as long as we maintain distance.

    Yes, I hope so, but I think the UK measures have some way to go. London may get special treatment, e.g., closure of the Tube, no car journeys, etc. We live next to a common, which is a great escape.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Gov advice, I believe, is that we can go for lone walks, even when self-isolating, as long as we maintain distance.

    Yes, I hope so, but I think the UK measures have some way to go. London may get special treatment, e.g., closure of the Tube, no car journeys, etc. We live next to a common, which is a great escape.
    Someone on TV the other day (can't remember who) in one of those Q&A things was asked about taking walks in the country ... and said (paraphrase) "Absolutely not, you might meet someone". But, apparently OK if you have a dog.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Gov advice, I believe, is that we can go for lone walks, even when self-isolating, as long as we maintain distance.

    Nope, not in the UK. That's for social distancing. Self-isolating means you can go in your garden but not out into the world. My patience with that will probably hold through this bout of isolation but after the second or third time my daughter gets a cough or a temperature that fades in 24 hours I suspect we may drive to a deserted beach regardless.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    From reading all of this, it would seem that South Korea, one of the original wellsprings of the virus, is way less authoritarian, for lack of a better word, in dealing with this than some other places. The schools have been closed for a few weeks, and will probably be so until mid-April at the earliest, and the coffee shops, bars and restaurants are MOSTLY empty, though there's often one or two miscreants sitting around, and people drop in for take-out semi-regularly.

    But still lots of cars on the streets, people on the sidewalks, and businesses generally seem to be open. (I've wondered if the franchises are being forced to remain open by head offices, but even the independent-looking places seem to be welcoming customers.) I'd imagine the usual taboo against big-events is being observed, though I don't think the movie theatres have closed yet(I'm staying out myself, though, sorry movie thread denizens).

    Mind you, I'm in South Jeolla Province, where there have been relatively few reports of the virus. I'd imagine things might be a little more intense in Daegu, where most of the cases have emerged.
  • I'm still amazed at the lack of social distancing, our local supermarket is a throng. I hope gradually it will change. There is talk of parties going on, eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we d-d-d don't know.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Gov advice, I believe, is that we can go for lone walks, even when self-isolating, as long as we maintain distance.

    Nope, not in the UK. That's for social distancing. Self-isolating means you can go in your garden but not out into the world. My patience with that will probably hold through this bout of isolation but after the second or third time my daughter gets a cough or a temperature that fades in 24 hours I suspect we may drive to a deserted beach regardless.

    "You can use your garden, if you have one. You can also leave the house to exercise – but stay at least 2 metres away from other people."

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-advice/
  • Interesting. My eldest daughter graduated from the OU a year or so ago and has been asked - and is now doing - some reviews on exams and questions for the OU. PM me and perhaps you'll know each other?
    I’m also an OU graduate as I did old fashioned nurse training in the 1980s. Not that I could have done a trad degree anyway, as I left school at 16 to go on a youth training scheme in a care home as people from council estates in Luton didn’t go to college - not everyone in Cambridge is middle class ;)
    I will only know your daughter if she works in the health or education faculties as home working means I only interact with my own faculties. I’m currently taking a few days sick leave to nurture my possible virus so not thinking about work - pm me you daughter’s name in a week or so.
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