So Rishi got the bill through the Commons. Most commentators say it will not have an easy time passing through the lords. They could easily keep it in limbo up to the election.
So Rishi got the bill through the Commons. Most commentators say it will not have an easy time passing through the lords. They could easily keep it in limbo up to the election.
Limbo sounds good from here. Especially since a senior Tory MP (Theresa Coffey) had no idea of the name of the capital city of Rwanda despite planning to send planeloads of people to Kigali.
Sinai has backed himself into a corner. I predict his bill will stall and grind on slowly in the Lords. He knows summer will bring a huge increase in numbers of ‘small boats’. So he’ll cut his losses and call a May election.
So Rishi got the bill through the Commons. Most commentators say it will not have an easy time passing through the lords. They could easily keep it in limbo up to the election.
What! And go against the 'will of the people'? To Rwanda with the lot of them!
So Rishi got the bill through the Commons. Most commentators say it will not have an easy time passing through the lords. They could easily keep it in limbo up to the election.
What! And go against the 'will of the people'? To Rwanda with the lot of them!
Where the feck does he get this Stuff? What *people*, apart from the swivel-eyed loons...
So Rishi got the bill through the Commons. Most commentators say it will not have an easy time passing through the lords. They could easily keep it in limbo up to the election.
What! And go against the 'will of the people'? To Rwanda with the lot of them!
Whenever I hear "the will of the people" I expect to hear the sound of jackboots in the background.
So Rishi got the bill through the Commons. Most commentators say it will not have an easy time passing through the lords. They could easily keep it in limbo up to the election.
What! And go against the 'will of the people'? To Rwanda with the lot of them!
Whenever I hear "the will of the people" I expect to hear the sound of jackboots in the background.
Which is exactly why Sushi the Mad and his equally deranged myrmidons seem so sinister these days...
So the right wing rebels climbed the hill of dissent, and between them mustered 11 votes. Oh, some abstained.
And, the former deputy chairman had been so wounded by Labour comments when he entered the no lobby for the amendment that he fled back to the Conservative fold for the main vote. Now known as 30p Flee.
So the right wing rebels climbed the hill of dissent, and between them mustered 11 votes. Oh, some abstained.
And, the former deputy chairman had been so wounded by Labour comments when he entered the no lobby for the amendment that he fled back to the Conservative fold for the main vote. Now known as 30p Flee.
Yes, the vote showed (yet again) how many miserable yellow-bellies there are in the tory camp. They are, many of them, realising with increasing desperation that there will be NO JOB and NO EASY £££ for them after the next General Election...
So the right wing rebels climbed the hill of dissent, and between them mustered 11 votes. Oh, some abstained.
And, the former deputy chairman had been so wounded by Labour comments when he entered the no lobby for the amendment that he fled back to the Conservative fold for the main vote. Now known as 30p Flee.
O! those howwid people laughing and sniggering at him! Poor pathetic delicate little flower...I expect he'd have liked to scweam and scweam and scweam until he was sick, but the Speaker might not have been too pleased.
So the right wing rebels climbed the hill of dissent, and between them mustered 11 votes. Oh, some abstained.
And, the former deputy chairman had been so wounded by Labour comments when he entered the no lobby for the amendment that he fled back to the Conservative fold for the main vote. Now known as 30p Flee.
Not quite correct. He abstained
Still too much of a snowflake to stick to his convictions in the face of a bit of joshing in the lobbies.
So the right wing rebels climbed the hill of dissent, and between them mustered 11 votes. Oh, some abstained.
And, the former deputy chairman had been so wounded by Labour comments when he entered the no lobby for the amendment that he fled back to the Conservative fold for the main vote. Now known as 30p Flee.
Not quite correct. He abstained
Still too much of a snowflake to stick to his convictions in the face of a bit of joshing in the lobbies.
Just so. Cowardy, cowardy, custard...and to think GBeebies pays this runt about £100k a year for spewing out shite...
So the right wing rebels climbed the hill of dissent, and between them mustered 11 votes. Oh, some abstained.
And, the former deputy chairman had been so wounded by Labour comments when he entered the no lobby for the amendment that he fled back to the Conservative fold for the main vote. Now known as 30p Flee.
Yes, the vote showed (yet again) how many miserable yellow-bellies there are in the tory camp. They are, many of them, realising with increasing desperation that there will be NO JOB and NO EASY £££ for them after the next General Election...
I think you need the apologise to the good people of Lincolnshire for comparing them with this midden of gobshites.
So the right wing rebels climbed the hill of dissent, and between them mustered 11 votes. Oh, some abstained.
And, the former deputy chairman had been so wounded by Labour comments when he entered the no lobby for the amendment that he fled back to the Conservative fold for the main vote. Now known as 30p Flee.
Yes, the vote showed (yet again) how many miserable yellow-bellies there are in the tory camp. They are, many of them, realising with increasing desperation that there will be NO JOB and NO EASY £££ for them after the next General Election...
I think you need the apologise to the good people of Lincolnshire for comparing them with this midden of gobshites.
O dear.
I had no idea that the expression was associated with that most excellent County, and so I hereby tender a full and unconditional Apology for the completely unintentional slur, with thanks to you, Sir, for pointing out my Egregious Error.
Thirty-Pee Lee the Flee remains, however, a cowardly gobshite, as do (does?) the rest of the midden of gobshites.
Survey after survey has shown that the "will of the people" centres on the dire state of the NHS and the crippling cost of living crisis.
If only the government benches were bothered enough about them to get steamed up.
But they aren't.
Instead the squabble about how to send asylum seekers to Rwanda.
They are beneath contempt.
So Rishi got the bill through the Commons. Most commentators say it will not have an easy time passing through the lords. They could easily keep it in limbo up to the election.
What! And go against the 'will of the people'? To Rwanda with the lot of them!
Whenever I hear "the will of the people" I expect to hear the sound of jackboots in the background.
As also the words parroted out "what the British people want". How do Suella Braverman or any of the other abusers of that phrase know what anyone other than her and a few of her close political chums want? Clearly they haven't asked me, or anyone else what we might want.
As others may recall from threads on other topics, I've a particular objection to the misuse of 'we' to mean 'what I want and therefore what you ought to want but I can't even be bothered to persuade you to agree with me'. These days I find myself shouting at the radio, 'there's no 'we' with you and me in it'.
So Rishi got the bill through the Commons. Most commentators say it will not have an easy time passing through the lords. They could easily keep it in limbo up to the election.
What! And go against the 'will of the people'? To Rwanda with the lot of them!
Whenever I hear "the will of the people" I expect to hear the sound of jackboots in the background.
As also the words parroted out "what the British people want". How do Suella Braverman or any of the other abusers of that phrase know what anyone other than her and a few of her close political chums want? Clearly they haven't asked me, or anyone else what we might want.
As others may recall from threads on other topics, I've a particular objection to the misuse of 'we' to mean 'what I want and therefore what you ought to want but I can't even be bothered to persuade you to agree with me'. These days I find myself shouting at the radio, 'there's no 'we' with you and me in it'.
This.
The gobshites speak only for themselves, and a few other gobshites, but it's true that empty vessels make the most noise...
I see the Daily Heil uses the phrase 'Will of the People' in its headline today.
I shall continue to read only the Daily Star. It seems a lot more sensible than other daily rags, and our beloved Pope is on the front cover giving good spiritual advice.
To the best of my understanding, the Police and Criminal Evidence Act only puts evidence from the computer on the same footing as evidence from a person. There is a rebuttable presumption that what they are saying is true.
One of the problems in the Post Office/ Fujitsu/ Horizon scandal is the extent to which known problems with the system were covered up both by the Post Office and by Fujitsu. Postmasters were repeatedly told, falsely, that no one else was having problems with the system. The Post Office should have disclosed fault logs, and call logs from their own and the Horizon helplines. This would (probably) have cast sufficient doubt in the computer evidence to make it inadmissible.
It is reported that the investigator appointed by the Post Office, who earlier had confessed he 'wasn't a technical person' now disclaims any responsibilty for his role in the the prosecutions. 'I was only doing my job' he said. Hmm, .... this is too much like saying, 'I was only obeying orders'.
How do these people sleep at night?
There is a fundamental investigatory problem - if the police have to investigate technical computery stuff they use a technical specialist. Detectives are not reading software code for errors. Presumably, if the police technical department said the output of a piece of software was correct, the detectives would believe them - they wouldn’t be in position to double check.
The problem, is the conflict of interest in the equivalent of the post office’s technical department - who had a vested interest in telling their own investigators (and later everyone else) that the software was reliable.
I am not sure it is reasonable to expect the investigators themselves to know this information was wrong. And I am not sure that the same people were investigating all the cases - and thereby picking up patterns at the coalface as it were. (However, I’ve not been following the enquiry closely.)
The other thing I am curious about - is whether the dodgy software resulted in more cases of apparent fraud than they would normally expect.
DP to add - consider the timescale - people old enough to be investigators at that point in time did not grow up with the widespread computer use of today. This is probably the generation who get the grandkids to program the video.
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The other thing I am curious about - is whether the dodgy software resulted in more cases of apparent fraud than they would normally expect.
I’ve seen something somewhere which argued that the Post Office had a long-standing, inbuilt mistrust of postmasters. So they may simply have thought that the clever software was simply showing up what had been going on undetected for some time.
So the Conservatives seemed to have finally realised what a state they are in. One senior politician has called for Sunak to resign sighting the polls and saying they will get trashed if they don’t get rid of him (Sunak). Sunak’s supporters have come out against it but it is indicator of things starting to bubble over.
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The other thing I am curious about - is whether the dodgy software resulted in more cases of apparent fraud than they would normally expect.
I’ve seen something somewhere which argued that the Post Office had a long-standing, inbuilt mistrust of postmasters. So they may simply have thought that the clever software was simply showing up what had been going on undetected for some time.
I read somewhere thet the purpose of the software (I presume the justification for the cost and introduction) was to detect fraud. Not to provide reliable accounting or an easier centralised system for the PMs. It was explicitly to detect fraud, so it would have appeared to be doing a good job.
Of course, if that was the stated aim, then checking and verifying the accuracy of this should have been a primary aspect of the software validation. But then, they might have found that the software was crap*.
So the Conservatives seemed to have finally realised what a state they are in. One senior politician has called for Sunak to resign sighting the polls and saying they will get trashed if they don’t get rid of him (Sunak). Sunak’s supporters have come out against it but it is indicator of things starting to bubble over.
That anyone should describe or regard Simon Clarke as a "senior politician" is testimony to there being nobody left of any calibre in their party.
Fat Puppy (remember him anybody?) cleared out the last of those that were still left before the election in 2019.
So the Conservatives seemed to have finally realised what a state they are in. One senior politician has called for Sunak to resign sighting the polls and saying they will get trashed if they don’t get rid of him (Sunak). Sunak’s supporters have come out against it but it is indicator of things starting to bubble over.
I don't think this is really the explanation; there's a bunch of MPs in the party who want to push ever more ludicrous demands that they know won't be met so that post election they can make the pitch that real conservatism (represented by them) was not tried.
The Post Office investigator would conduct his investigation on the basis of the information he was supplied with. This was supplied by the contractors, Fujitsu, who, apparently, insisted their software was reliable while, apparently, knowing that it had various bugs as well as a backdoor facility whereby their operatives could tamper with data in real time. The smoking gun seems to be in their posseesion, though it is surprising no-one in the Post Office seems to have queried the apparent surge in cases of theft.
But this is straying from the iheme of Conservative government.
The smoking gun seems to be in their posseesion, though it is surprising no-one in the Post Office seems to have queried the apparent surge in cases of theft.
Why would it be surprising that the number of cases of detected theft/fraud went up when you started looking for them?
The logical reason to introduce a fraud-detecting system is "we think there's some fraud going on, but it's too hard for us to find by hand, so let's make an automated screen to flag possibilities". Having that system detect a bunch of fraud you didn't previously detect is the expected outcome.
Just saw where Badenoch blames Joe Biden for the UK's failure to get all those anticipated post-brexit trade deals with the USA.
Except that VP Biden's own boss had warned Britons they wouldn't be getting any trade deals in the event of a Leave victory, and that guy was still in the White House when the vote was held. So Biden's position really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
Indeed, that had always been the position. Even Trump was saying "we'd like a good trade deal with the UK, but there won't be any queue jumping and all the other trade deals - like the one with the EU - will need to be sorted first" (my paraphrase, I don't want to sully my computer by searching for what he actually said - it would have been said multiple times, by several people, anyway).
A trade deal with a little group of islands in the NW of Europe simply isn't important enough to delay other work for the people who would need to negotiate such a deal, especially when that other work includes trade with the whole of Europe except that little group of islands.
The caption of the latest Matt cartoon has a minister saying "The Tory Party is trying to give up leadership challenges for January. Of course there's been a few cheat days..."
If adults today are a "pre-war generation" then we need to work harder to reduce the global tensions that could lead to further increases in armed conflict. Because the alternative is that our children will need to face the horrors of war.
How are we to reduce global tensions with Putin in charge of Russia, Netanyahu of Israel, the ayatollahs of Iran, Xi of China, plus the looming arrival of Trump?
Reaching for the "fire missile" button as soon as someone threatens profit margins for international shipping doesn't help. Cutting aid budgets doesn't help. Refusing asylum to people fleeing war and persecution doesn't help. Supplying arms to dictators doesn't help. Constantly pumping toxins into the environment doesn't help. Voting for people who make things worse doesn't help.
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Well, at least some of them do. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find tax cheats among their ranks.
Surely not?
Limbo sounds good from here. Especially since a senior Tory MP (Theresa Coffey) had no idea of the name of the capital city of Rwanda despite planning to send planeloads of people to Kigali.
What! And go against the 'will of the people'? To Rwanda with the lot of them!
Sunak!
Where the feck does he get this Stuff? What *people*, apart from the swivel-eyed loons...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/18/tories-stop-the-boats-superyachts-plutocrats-britain
Whenever I hear "the will of the people" I expect to hear the sound of jackboots in the background.
Which is exactly why Sushi the Mad and his equally deranged myrmidons seem so sinister these days...
Yes, the vote showed (yet again) how many miserable yellow-bellies there are in the tory camp. They are, many of them, realising with increasing desperation that there will be NO JOB and NO EASY £££ for them after the next General Election...
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lee-anderson-rwanda-vote-commons-tory-rebels-labour-mps-dumb-and-dumber-b1133149.html
O! those howwid people laughing and sniggering at him! Poor pathetic delicate little flower...I expect he'd have liked to scweam and scweam and scweam until he was sick, but the Speaker might not have been too pleased.
Just so. Cowardy, cowardy, custard...and to think GBeebies pays this runt about £100k a year for spewing out shite...
I think you need the apologise to the good people of Lincolnshire for comparing them with this midden of gobshites.
O dear.
I had no idea that the expression was associated with that most excellent County, and so I hereby tender a full and unconditional Apology for the completely unintentional slur, with thanks to you, Sir, for pointing out my Egregious Error.
Thirty-Pee Lee the Flee remains, however, a cowardly gobshite, as do (does?) the rest of the midden of gobshites.
If only the government benches were bothered enough about them to get steamed up.
But they aren't.
Instead the squabble about how to send asylum seekers to Rwanda.
They are beneath contempt.
As others may recall from threads on other topics, I've a particular objection to the misuse of 'we' to mean 'what I want and therefore what you ought to want but I can't even be bothered to persuade you to agree with me'. These days I find myself shouting at the radio, 'there's no 'we' with you and me in it'.
This.
The gobshites speak only for themselves, and a few other gobshites, but it's true that empty vessels make the most noise...
I shall continue to read only the Daily Star. It seems a lot more sensible than other daily rags, and our beloved Pope is on the front cover giving good spiritual advice.
It is reported that the investigator appointed by the Post Office, who earlier had confessed he 'wasn't a technical person' now disclaims any responsibilty for his role in the the prosecutions. 'I was only doing my job' he said. Hmm, .... this is too much like saying, 'I was only obeying orders'.
How do these people sleep at night?
The problem, is the conflict of interest in the equivalent of the post office’s technical department - who had a vested interest in telling their own investigators (and later everyone else) that the software was reliable.
I am not sure it is reasonable to expect the investigators themselves to know this information was wrong. And I am not sure that the same people were investigating all the cases - and thereby picking up patterns at the coalface as it were. (However, I’ve not been following the enquiry closely.)
The other thing I am curious about - is whether the dodgy software resulted in more cases of apparent fraud than they would normally expect.
I read somewhere thet the purpose of the software (I presume the justification for the cost and introduction) was to detect fraud. Not to provide reliable accounting or an easier centralised system for the PMs. It was explicitly to detect fraud, so it would have appeared to be doing a good job.
Of course, if that was the stated aim, then checking and verifying the accuracy of this should have been a primary aspect of the software validation. But then, they might have found that the software was crap*.
*Technical term.
Fat Puppy (remember him anybody?) cleared out the last of those that were still left before the election in 2019.
I don't think this is really the explanation; there's a bunch of MPs in the party who want to push ever more ludicrous demands that they know won't be met so that post election they can make the pitch that real conservatism (represented by them) was not tried.
But this is straying from the iheme of Conservative government.
Why would it be surprising that the number of cases of detected theft/fraud went up when you started looking for them?
The logical reason to introduce a fraud-detecting system is "we think there's some fraud going on, but it's too hard for us to find by hand, so let's make an automated screen to flag possibilities". Having that system detect a bunch of fraud you didn't previously detect is the expected outcome.
Except that VP Biden's own boss had warned Britons they wouldn't be getting any trade deals in the event of a Leave victory, and that guy was still in the White House when the vote was held. So Biden's position really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
A trade deal with a little group of islands in the NW of Europe simply isn't important enough to delay other work for the people who would need to negotiate such a deal, especially when that other work includes trade with the whole of Europe except that little group of islands.
Meanwhile, all you younger Shipmates had better be getting ready to be conscripted to fight Russia:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/24/army-chief-says-people-of-uk-are-prewar-generation-who-must-be-ready-to-fight-russia
This swivel-eyed loon probably doesn't realise that just one nuclear bomb on London would rather remove the need...
Can we look forward to a gentle sitcom in 20 years' time called "Grandad's Army"?
There's forty shillings on the drum
For those who volunteer to come,
To 'list and fight the foe today
Over the Hills and far away.
We need to put far more money on the drum if we are going to sort out recruitment to the army and the navy.
I doubt that we would have enough of the right personal to train conscripts
I read that as meaning that todays young people are a new pre-war generation
Yep me too. Though you never know. Someone may take Putin out of the equation.